So much for all that talk about Hurricane Gustav helping the GOPers by providing George W. Bush a convenient excuse for not showing up at their convention in St. Paul. On Tuesday night, Bush will address the convention via satellite.
The theme of the night, McCain campaign officials said, is "Who is John McCain?" Putting it that way seems odd. Why a question. Don't most voters already know? Using such a formulation reminded me of a not-so-grand moment in presidential politics involving retired Admiral James Stockdale, who was Ross Perot's running mate during the 1992 campaign. (Ignore the Fred Thompson bits in the below clip.)
Having Bush speak on Who Is McCain night is more proof of the hollowness of American politics. Only eight years ago, Bush supporters, during the 2000 primary contest between Bush and McCain, waged a whispering campaign to try to define McCain as a syphilitic, Manchurian Candidate who was married to a mob-linked, drugs-abusing wife and who had fathered an out-of-wedlock black child. At the time, the Bush campaign--and Bush himself--said nothing to distance itself from the vicious rumor-mongering. Of course, the McCain camp suspected that Karl Rove and the Bushies were actually behind the effort. Compare that to how Barack Obama has publicly declared that Sarah Palin's family life ought not to be a campaign issue.
In any event, Bush's appearance tonight will close a circle on the Bush-McCain relationship. Bush will return the praise that McCain, sacrificing honor and principle for expedience, (insincerely) heaped on Bush at the 2000 convention. And Bush's appearance will be a reminder to voters that McCain, the so-called straight talker, has forged a phony bond with Bush to advance his political career. It turns out that not even a hurricane could blow away McCain's deal with the devil.

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Wow, the GOP can't be saved from themselves.
Great stuff!
Thanks!
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 11:52 AM
Did David Corn just call George Bush the devil? ...and does he mean it literally - that Bush is evil, or figuratively in that an association with Bush in order to reap an advantage comes attached to an inevitably reckoning?
Posted by: Neil
| September 2, 2008 12:26 PM
You're slipping, Karl
John McCain's running mate is facing questions about her qualifications to be a 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency, her ties to the indicted senator Ted Stevens, her involvement with a 527 for said indicted senator, her past association with an extremist political party, her lawyering up as a result of an investigation into her abuse of power as governor, and this is the line of attack Karl Rove has been reduced to in talking about Joe Biden:
When the topic of running mates came up, he referred to U.S. Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) as a "big, blowhard doofus."
Faced with such a blistering political attack, it's obvious that there is only one possible response: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you" (sticking out tongue is optional).
http://tinyurl.com/5js2rd
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 12:33 PM
Gallup Daily: Obama Hits 50% for First Time
Leads McCain by eight percentage points, 50% to 42%USA Election 2008 Gallup Daily Americas Northern America
PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 30 through Sept. 1, finds Barack Obama leading the race for president with his highest share of support to date. Fully half of national registered voters now favor Obama for president, while 42% back John McCain.
http://tinyurl.com/5aumha
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 1:15 PM
St. Paul, Minnesota -- the land of make believe
http://tinyurl.com/5mtxzk
Short and to the point.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 1:20 PM
All these things that, in MY eyes should disqualify McSame and his shiny, new Tiara Trophied VP candidate only increase their luster in the eyes of the tiny portion of the electorate they call their "base".
The corporate Fat Cats who toss their considerable influence-peddling weight around the political circus can say, "He's one of us!"
And all the folks who continue, against all sense, the cycle of unintended teenage pregnancy with their "abstinence only", purity pledging failed programs can say "SHE's one of us!"
Again and again, I'll sit and shake my head as the hipocrisy goes unnoticed and unchallenged.
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 1:20 PM
Here is (or should be) Joe Biden's response to Rove's comment:
Considering the source, a man who helped out a CIA agent, was instrumental in promoting the lies that got us into the Iraq war, "losing" millions of e-mails, and the list could go on and on...I don't really care what Rove thinks of me.
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 1:46 PM
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,"..."That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
Who said this?
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 1:51 PM
"Who said this?"
Caribou Barbie?
lololololo
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 1:53 PM
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,"
Any clue?
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 1:55 PM
Regarding the above person's church and it's Pastor...
The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But [the church's Pastor] has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
Still don't know to whom I am refering?
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 1:58 PM
OK, Final clue...
"Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," this person told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 1:59 PM
Watching it on video as we speak. . .
http://tinyurl.com/6dz8yg
*****
It is all about the RW nuts at this point. Watch the center and undecided scramble to support Obama/Biden.
McCain and the GOP have given the election away.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:01 PM
I wonder if SHE ever made moose in a popcorn popper?
lolololo
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:04 PM
I couldn't help myself...here's one more...if this doesn't come out in the M$M, then the Right can never claim liberal bias..A quote from the above person's Pastor...
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"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.:
And everyone jumped on what Pastor Wright said...
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 2:04 PM
"I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode."
War against all non-believers!
These folks are nuts!
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:12 PM
Capt, I am not going to hold my breath...I am going to get out the vote!
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 2:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c12DfJ_J2A
Carville when he is on our side (only once in a while these days)
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:16 PM
Here's the last bit from the artical I read...
In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."
He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."
Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.
As for Palin, her views on these topics is more opaque. In the wake of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, a debate has raged about whether political figures should be held responsible for the comments of their religious guiders. Clearly, however, Kalnins, like many national conservative religious leaders, sees Alaska's governor as one of his own. "Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal," he told his church this past summer. "You know, some people put on a show...but she's the real deal."
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 2:17 PM
Anything less than a landslide for Barack will be a sad commentary on American politics.
Absolutely - we all have to GOTV!
These insane people are nothing less than "American Taliban"
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:22 PM
Flan,
It ain't just the Alaskan RWNuts...I heard the same things from a BUNCH of folks (mostly registered DEMS gawds help us!) while doing some dem and indy-specific door-to-door stuff for Obama in my hometown of Ashland, KY.
Those are the ones who said, straight out, that they'd be voting for McCain, if Hillary didn't win, just to keep that "Black assed Muslim N***er who'll bring on Armageddon" out of the Whitehouse.
Them's MY peeps!
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 2:27 PM
New Obama ad - "The Same"
http://tinyurl.com/68osq2
I think it hits all the right notes.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:30 PM
I never thought Barack needed a "game changer" but I think McCain gave him one.
I just do not see the choice of Palin doing McCain any good.
Maybe I'm way off on this.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:35 PM
"Those are the ones who said, straight out, that they'd be voting for McCain, if Hillary didn't win, just to keep that "Black assed Muslim N***er who'll bring on Armageddon" out of the Whitehouse."
Okay, well NO GOTV for them!
(JK)
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:36 PM
[Former Wasilla mayor John Stein] says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
(kos)
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 2:48 PM
"But I support the Senator's proposals here and his passion to again allow Alaska to be heard and to lead with an American energy policy that has been, I believe has been sorely lacking," Palin said in her joint appearance with Stevens, adding: "I have great respect for the Senator and he needs to be heard across America."
Yeah, heard from his jail cell...
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 2:49 PM
935 official lies were told to enable the u.s. destruction and occupation of iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/5jwzf5
how many lies will be told to enable a war on iran?
Posted by: as_if!
| September 2, 2008 4:06 PM
Via Dave Lindorff Commentary:
Published allegations would show that both Gov. Palin's husband Todd Palin, and members of her staff, repeatedly called and harangued state Public Safety Director Walt Monegan, who says he was "pressured" to fire the brother-in-law, Officer Mike Wooten. The Palins have charged that Wooten drank beer in his patrol car, hunted moose illegally, and that he once fired his taser at his 11-year-old stepson -- charges that Wooten has denied. They have also claimed that Wooten threatened Sarah Palin's father -- also denied by Wooten.
Also interesting -- the charges made against Wooten were for things that he allegedly did years before, and for which, where appropriate, he had already been disciplined or exonerated by his employer. That taser incident, if it happened, was when the stepson was 11. The boy, now 17, reportedly lives these days with the allegedly trigger-happy stepdad. The alleged beer and hunting incidents also predate the divorce, which raises questions of why, if those charges warranted Wooten's firing from the police force, the supposedly ethics-obsessed Palin would not have raised them back at the time with his superiors.
Palin has improbably denied that she had "anything to do with" her husband's calls to Monegan. She subsequently fired Monegan and got his successor to fire her sister's ex from the police force. (Her pick to replace Monegan is being accused of sexual harassment!).
My comments...
These Rebuplican hypocrites...this woman was drunk with power and bent on revenge. I hope they don't dump her as VP. This whole investigation will be going on during the campaign and it will blow up in their faces.
And what is her husband making calls for? He is not a State employee nor was he voted into any office? He has been horning in on high level meetings since she took office. What will his role be if she is VP?
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 5:00 PM
McCain Manager: 'This Election is Not About Issues'
Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain's presidential bid, insisted that the presidential race will be decided more over personalities than issues during an interview with Post editors this morning.
"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."
http://tinyurl.com/6zpddj
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I think the GOP loses on issues and even worse on the "composite view" of the candidates.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 5:08 PM
Tonight the RNC scheduled Shrub's long-distance address to the Repugnicons a half-hour BEFORE network Prime-Time starts! An audible sigh of relief from the crowd!
HA!
How's THAT for Respect?
Cheney's cancelled so he can head to the Caspian/Black Sea to stir up the Tempest in a Chamber Pot that McBush, et al. has created there with an unquestioning support of the Saakashvili regime.
I'm sure the conventioneers will lament HIS absence, too!
Even NBC Nightly news has speculated that the obviously under-vetted rush to coronate Sarah Palin for VPILF was due to Rove's insistance that Lie-Brr-Mann NOT be on the ticket. (KKKarl wanted Mitt, go figgur!)
Tens of millions in federal earmarks for her backwoods Alaskan town...Hundreds of millions more for the state requested (through Ted Stevens?...here's some bucks for your 522 bucket!) in the next budget battle...abuse of power to persue personal family vendettas...firings for staff and state employees who wouldn't take a "Loyalty oath"...
Yep sounds like a NeoConvict's wet dream. (on nights when (m)Ann Coulter's not making 'em squeal!)
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 7:31 PM
"In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin’s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.
“My understanding is that Gov. Palin’s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year – we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,” Obama responded."
Wow, based on his statements above, BHO is right!!! All you have to do is pretend that Palin was only a mayor, and never a Governor. Notice how Barry fails to ask Cooper how may employees the STATE of Alaska has, or how big the budget of the STATE of Alaska is -
Misdirection is the hallmark of any decent illusionist!!!!
This is also the tactic Carville is using whenever he can - holding up a photo of Wassilla and commenting on how minor a responsibility a town that size is to govern. Again, pretend she was never a Governor.
Barak Hussein Obama is getting DESPERATE to try to compare his experience to Palin's - last I checked Barry was at the top of the Dem ticket, NOT VP!!!!!!
I love the smell of desperation in the morning!!! lolololo
Cheers
Posted by: denmac
| September 2, 2008 7:45 PM
And in case Barry doesn't know how to Google, here are the pertinent 2007 numbers -
Alaska "Non-oil" revenue - $ 701 MILLION per year vs "about 3 times" $12 million per month, or $432 million per year total CAMPAIGN dollars
Alaska Union State employees - 8,500 vs 2500 Obama CAMPAIGN members (see above)
So as Barak Hussein Obama clearly points out, he is, BY HIS OWN FACTS, FAR LESS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT THAN IS SARAH PALIN!!!!
Cheers.
Posted by: denmac
| September 2, 2008 8:00 PM
State records show the business ran into trouble with Alaska's division of corporations business and professional licensing after Palin became governor of the state in 2006.
A Feb. 11, 2007 letter to the governor's business partner advises that the car wash had "not filed its biennial report and/or paid its biennial fees," which were more than a year overdue.
The warning letter was written on state letterhead, which carried Palin's name at the top, next to the state seal.
On April 3, 2007, the state went further and issued a "certificate of involuntary dissolution" because of the car wash's failure to file its report and pay state licensing fees.
******
A regular captain of industry!
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 8:12 PM
i predict that palin will withdraw from the ticket due to "personal issues" and be replaced with someone else.
Posted by: as_if!
| September 2, 2008 8:54 PM
OK - so let's get back to McCain the hypocrite...from Katrina Vanden Heuval at The Nation:
As Christopher Hayes wrote in his excellent post today, "Volunteers and fundraising isn't the solution for the Gulf, competent government is, and John McCain has hardly lifted a finger to make that happen." Hayes points out that McCain warned against over-spending in support of Katrina's victims; voted against establishing a Congressional commission to examine the response to Katrina in mid-September 2005; voted against allowing up to fifty-two weeks of unemployment benefits to people affected by the hurricane; and in 2006 voted against appropriating $109 billion in supplemental emergency funding, including $28 billion for hurricane relief.
McCain's newfound "concern" for the plight of disaster victims is as cynical as some of his recent campaign moves (think, Palin). Consider that in a visit to New Orleans in April McCain said he wasn't sure whether the Lower 9th Ward should be rebuilt.
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 9:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9LypdiQFo
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 9:22 PM
From The Nation...
Last week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC's spectacle in Denver, the country's most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.
CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.
Creepy
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 9:23 PM
From CNN:
Presidential hopeful Senator John McCain announced in a special press conference this evening that Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska is quitting the race, citing 'family difficulties.' "I was looking forward to being Vice President," said Palin, slightly teary. "But Alaska and my family, especially Alaska, needs me."
Senator McCain also unveiled his new running mate at the press conference: XX, the female chromosomes.
http://tinyurl.com/69r587
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 9:24 PM
Hilarious McCain/Palin Slogans-Stickers!
Palin, because we think Hillary supporters are that stupid
Palin: FINALLY, a woman who's not afraid to hate women
Palin: Because after Quayle and Cheney, we just stopped caring.
Polluting, creationist, wingnuts for Palin
McCain's soulmates: 1st wife, 2nd wife, now Sarah Palin. What's with the former beauty queens, creep?!
Palin, like HRC, only right-wing and incompetent
McCain-Palin. What desperation looks like.
A one-year, extremist governor with an ethics investigation—thanks McCain!
Palin, like Cheney, only more extreme and less compassionate
Palin: What a love-child of Cheney and Quayle would look like
Go Palin! You'll secede Alaska yet!
Anti-Choice, Anti-Environment, Anti-Stemcells, Anti-Women: ANTI-PALIN!
GOP: Where screwing up a small village makes you veep material
Palin: She doesn’t want to be a citizen, but she can be veep?
McCain-Palin: Alaska First!
How’d that abstinence-only education working out, Sarah?
SWM, 72, seeks attractive, fertile Alaskan for hunting, fishing, waterboarding. Must be anti-abortion.
McCain /What’s Her Name
McCain/Appalin
Karma: Palin slashed programs for teen mothers
Palin, single-handedly stopping the Soviets from invading!
Palin wants Polar Bears Dead
Self-righteous hypocrites for Palin
McCain/Palin: Bridge to Nowhere
Palin: Risking America’s Safety
McCain/Palin: Too Old/Too Inexperienced
Eskimo village, America, what’s the diff?
http://tinyurl.com/54sajs
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 9:28 PM
Bush up soon at the RNC?
Will he be late enough that they'll HAVE to show him on the netwurks?
Will a "technical difficulty" keep him from showing up, again?
Stay tuned for more "As the stomache Turns!"
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 9:40 PM
Bush, the deserter up right after "Medal of Honor" recipients?
Now THAT's criminal! What a slap in the face to those who've TRULY served!
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 9:47 PM
Since the GOP spent so much time regurgitating "experience, experience, experience", it is only natural that the GOP's potential VP's experience be scrutinized.
Since the VP second in line to the President, it is only prudent that the potential VP's experience be scrutinized.
Since the potential VP has a running mate who would be the oldest President in history and who has had bouts with cancer, it is only imperative that the potential VP's experience.
And since the Presidential nominee's VP pick sheds an incredible amount of light on the nominee's decision making skills, picking someone who is so blatantly unqualified for the job, under circumstances that make it pretty obvious that she was not fully vetted shows us what a failuire McCain's first decision as a potential President was.
Heaven help us if McCain is elected then croaks!
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 9:51 PM
Sarah Palin is the most best qualified person available to run with McCain. She is more experienced and more qualified than any other GOP candidate.
She was born to have her finger on the nuclear button, she is the perfect compliment to McCain and she completes him.
Romney, Ron Paul, Huckabee - all simple minded hacks compared to Palins expertise and experience.
It only makes sense.
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 9:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 10:01 PM
Well, I took mylanta...and I watched Bush speak...
...and I watched those who cheered him.
I'm gonna take a shower, a big scotch and go to sleep...I expect I'll still feel dirty...
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 10:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadR6qNTjzU
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 10:17 PM
From John Nichols of The Nation...
I was with Goodman earlier this afternoon, as she was reporting on the major anti-war demonstration. She and her crew were, as always, interviewing everyone they could in the calm, assured manner that has made the daily Democracy Now! program a widely-watched and well-regarded news programs on radio and cable television stations across the country...
This, of cours, was before she and two members of her crew were violently arrested even when they were - or maybe because? - trying to explain they were jouirnalists, not protestors.
I am wondering how the Democratic Convention compared? I don't remember hearing or reading anytihng except how Denver rounded up the homeless before the convention and that they had those so called zones. But I didn't hear anything like I am hearing about like this.
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 10:29 PM
sorry for the typos - I didn't have my reading glasses on..
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 10:30 PM
Palin's Foreign Experience Lie Revealed
__________________________
Probably mis-stated her stay there...due to frequent sniper fire, she was sorta outta sorts...
Sarah Palin and HRC 18,000,000 cracks in the pillars of truth!
(not to piss off any PUMAs, out there!)
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 10:31 PM
Pretty telling that Fred Thompson's talking at least twice as long as Bush...
Bush's "cameo" has lasted 8 years and cost this nation nearly everything my own father and HIS father worked and fought for...
Thompson's a REAL actor!
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 10:35 PM
OMFG! Lieburmung!
...back to the shower.
g'nite!
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| September 2, 2008 10:45 PM
From an Eagle Forum Candidate Questionnaire:
Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
The phrase was added in 1954.
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 10:59 PM
I think Cindy McCain should turn down her jewelry or she may blind those near her. She is so obviously dripping with money it's disgusting.
Posted by: flan
| September 2, 2008 11:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqtL-P8kzo
Posted by: capt
| September 2, 2008 11:05 PM
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