Too much Clintons at the convention?
There will be a lot--perhaps more than needed. On Tuesday, Senator Hillary Clinton will have her time at the podium. But first, reportedly, convention-goers (and viewers at home) will be treated to a film about her, presumably in the style of the Man From Hope biopic shown at the 1992 convention. Then she will speak. No doubt, she will talk about her historic run for the presidency. The question for a Clinton-cynic is how much of her address will be about her and how much will be about Barack Obama?
This will be her night--which she deserves. But then the Clintons get a second night. On Wednesday, Bill Clinton will get his turn. He is supposedly disappointed that he has been relegated to "Securing America's Future" night, when speakers are supposed to tout Obama's potential as commander in chief. Clinton would rather speak on a wider range of issues. I can understand the Obama camp's concern. Remember his convention speech in 1988? (Howard Wolfson, Hillary Clinton's communications director during her campaign, argues that the Obama campaign still must soothe the hurt feelings Bill Clinton has after the campaign. What is this? High school? Wolfson adds, "President Clinton has his part to play as well. He needs to offer a strong argument in favor of Barack Obama's candidacy on Wednesday night, and remind everyone why he is one of the most gifted campaigners in our generation between now and November.")
Also on Wednesday night, Hillary Clinton will again be in the spotlight, when her name is placed into nomination, thanks to the munificence of the Obama campaign. So of the four nights of the convention, the Clintons will have major roles on two. Not bad for the second-place finisher. Even though Hillary Clinton racked up a lot of votes, pundits can--and will--wonder if this is excessive, given that the whole point of the convention is to move forward with Obama. Wouldn't one night have sufficed? Start with a film on HRC. When it's done, the lights go up and...there's Bill Clinton. He introduces her. And then she comes on. A nice package--all in one. Then for the next two nights, the convention would concentrate on Joe Biden and Obama.
That's not how it's going to be. Perhaps all this Clinton programming will help ease the resentment of the Hillary Hold-ons (whom I wrote about here.) If so, it will be worth it. But is it possible those die-hards cannot be satisfied and that a Clinton-drenched convention will deliver a less-than-consistent message (Obama, Obama, Obama)? Your guess--or calculation--is as good as mine.
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The whole Clinton thing is being over-blown. (IMO)
She lost the primary - so did others.
I believe the "conflict" between Obama and the Clintons is a narrative that serves the M$M not the public. Maybe HRC or Bill can put the whole thing to bed.
If they are a political powerhouse why can't they convince people that are suppose to hold them in high regard to support their ideals? Or if those PUMA's are just GOP posers and fakers why can't the political powerhouse expose the frauds and move on?
I'm more interested in whether the D's will jump on the poor results of the last two terms? Will they go after Bush? The truth? Expose the real McCain? His failed projections and poor judgment?
We will all know by the end of the week.
Thanks!
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 2:01 PM
Clinton on McCain: "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I do not approve that message."
http://tinyurl.com/5t3v46
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The whole piece is very good and good news for democrats. What more can she do? If she stays on this message - everybody wins (except McCain!)
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 2:06 PM
Also nothing wrong with Hillary and Bill speaking to their successes. The convention is a long process and there will be a bunch of tut-tutting from all politicians.That goes without saying.
I think some people (esp. young folks) need to be reminded of the good things Bill did as president and the obvious successes Hillary has had as a politician and presidential candidate.
As the first female it is important to the future generations that gender and equality be pointed to as new and an important step in the right direction. I also hope for a future when gender will not matter - when people really get past the gender bias.
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 2:12 PM
"The news organizations don't suck because they are partisan McCain hacks, they suck simply because they suck as journalists."
http://tinyurl.com/55fgu7
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I'm not so sure about the whole piece but that quote is right on the money as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 2:35 PM
They say Barack needs more substance, let me remind you that Faith is the Substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen!
On Meet the Press,Tom Brokaw asked Speaker Pelosi a question on the tighening of the race in which she responded:
"REP. PELOSI: it's a close poll in either way. But I'm very confident about Senator Obama's success because these polls are about likely voters. They're people who vote in the last two elections. Senator Obama has and Senator Clinton, too, has attracted millions more people to the political process, some who have never voted, some who haven't voted for a long time. So I don't think that the – I think it's a OK poll, he's ahead and that's good, but I think that his support is much stronger than that. I'm very confident about the success that we'll have in November, and then the success for jobs and health care and education in–come January." From MTP, 8/24/08
However, MSM, is very aware that they are only giving part of the picture regading polls and that the polling data cannot in anyway give an accurate accounting of the true picture due to the thousands of new applicants. However, GOP-owned media wants to give the PERCEPTION that Barack is slipping in the polls and that the race close.
MSM also continuses to say Barack is not specific when he is and has been very specific in his speeches on how we must solve our problems today on a myriad of issues, another lie they want to leave in the minds of the American public. GOP-owned media likes to say he has no experience, a total fabrication. Some men are born with a certain talent or genuis, example a genuis to play an instrument or paint without any formal training. Some people are born with certain talents and Barack was born to be a leader of men in enabling to unite and tackle problems which have too long been ignored. We are at a crossroads and we have a profound decision to make on which way the United States will go. Will we continue to spiral downwards into decay or will we pick ourselves up out of GOP domination and control which has done nothing for the American people and bring back the American dream. However, we live in the time fortunately where every eye shall see and every ear shall hear and people are not as dumb as GOP-owned MSM would like them to be.
We must not give into panic, those of us who support Barack Obama. We must remain hopeful as his slogan reminds us. There are going to be pitfalls in the road our strength is in our confidence that we will overcome. As Rep. Jessie Jackson, Jr. stated today in regards to the Democratic Party - this is not a week to talk about losing, this is a week to talk about winning!
Posted by: bacaangel
| August 25, 2008 2:43 PM
We must not give into panic!
I agree!
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 2:46 PM
Sen. Joe Biden
August 8, 2007
Sen. Joe Biden debates Jon about whether The Daily Show pulls more viewers than Democratic debates.
http://tinyurl.com/62cm3y
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The video reminds me that I have always kinda liked Joe. I have issues with some of his political positions but agree with as many.
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 3:01 PM
An interesting article:
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/how_pollsters_affect_poll_resu.php
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 3:26 PM
This is how much the GOP cares about HRC and hurting her feelings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 3:33 PM
Dallas Billionaire, McCain bundler, is anti-Obama group's backer
The spokesman for the American Issues Project, the independent group whose ad is the most negative of the cycle and links Obama to terrorism, says the group just filed a report naming its sole donor.
The donor, spokesman Christian Pinkston said, is Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons, who made his first fortune in chain pharmacies and is now listed as the 73rd richest person in the world, with a net worth estimated by Forbes at $2.1 billion.
Simmons, a major Republican donor, gave maximum $2,300 contributions to Senator John McCain last year, as well as to former Governor Mitt Romney and to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
He's listed as a bundler for the McCain campaign on McCain's website, which says he's raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for the Republican candidate.
He's also contributed to Rep. Chet Edwards, the Texas Democrat who has been mentioned as a possible Obama running mate.
Simmons was reportedly a major donor to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004.
He's also a backer of a controversial plan to store nuclear waste in West Texas, which his waste management company would administer.
http://tinyurl.com/5my9gp
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 3:49 PM
Transcript of Obama Ayers AdBarack Obama: I’m Barack Obama and I approved this message.
ANNCR: With all our problems, why is John McCain talking about the sixties, trying to link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers?
McCain knows Obama denounced Ayers’ crimes, committed when Obama was just eight years old.
Let’s talk about standing up for America today.
John McCain wants to spend $10 Billion a month in Iraq, tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs overseas, selling out American workers.
John McCain, just more of the same.
http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obama-ayers-ad/
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 3:51 PM
ZOMG!
"This is a tough presidential campaign we're in," McCain said. "I have a very honorable opponent. There are stark differences between us."
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My goodness! McCain is as bad as Bush!
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 4:00 PM
i wonder if obama will promise to "count every vote" just as kerry promised.
Posted by: as_if!
| August 25, 2008 4:08 PM
WAY too late to fix the voting stuff. We have had four years.
No promise can change that.
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 4:13 PM
Seems a likely scenario that the Clintons cause Obama to tank because they know that McCain will not live long enough to reach a second term. They might hope they'll be forgiven for what they have done and allow Hillary to try again.
Posted by: kalpal
| August 25, 2008 4:43 PM
When PUMAs Attack
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Leaving aside the irony of calling yourself a "Hillary Clinton Democrat" and then voting for someone diametrically opposed to what Democrats--including Hillary Clinton--stand for, McCain's attempt to win this race by targeting Clinton voters is quite revealing.
First, it is a tacit admission that he cannot win on the backs of Republicans and independents alone. McCain was supposed to dominate among independents, according to the conventional wisdom when he launched his campaign. Now, McCain pulls in just half of independents. And as for the base, there's no question that Obama's voters are far more energized, and thus more likely to actually show up to the booth on Election Day. So peeling off Democrats from Obama's column is really a last resort for McCain.
Will it pay off? Don't expect these new ads to move numbers much. Take a look at the numbers in a McCain-Obama match-up from April, when Clinton was still in the race and note that they're pretty much the same today:
(45/45%)
In other words, stubborn "Hillary Democrats" have been factored into the calculus for a while, and when you acknowledge that "Hillary Democrats" included disaffected Republicans who voted in primaries, but would never vote for Obama anyway, it's even more clear that courting PUMAs is pretty much a fruitless strategy.
Here on the ground in Denver, you would be hard pressed to find someone who is willing to vote for John McCain in the fall. Sure, the place is teeming with people who voted for Hillary, but the general consenus here is that we need to get a Democrat into the White House. Period.
That won't stop television reporters from flocking to the rare PUMA in the streets wearing a Hillary or Bust t-shirt. But the force of these individuals here at the convention isn't as compelling as the media make it out to be. While PUMAs may think they're here to roar for Hillary only, in the midst of all of this energy for Obama and the Democratic Party, PUMA whining is nothing more than a barely audible meow.
http://tinyurl.com/57xwfj
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I think the hype is just that. If Barack doesn't win it will be on him but the M$M will make HRC the reason if they can. If he wins the M$M will never say it was because of HRC's support. It really is a one sided equation.
She knows that. That is why she will play the part of supporter. She can pull it off - I bet.
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 4:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TvCzeETjM8
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 5:57 PM
Michelle's mom will do the introduction tonight - that will make for a heart-warming TV moment.
Can't wait till Barry's mom does his introduction Wednesday night - maybe she can bring his Draft Registration paperwork!!!
Cheers.
Posted by: denmac
| August 25, 2008 6:12 PM
Just saw a shot of Biden talking to his grand daughter during one of the convention speeches. Both smiling broadly, clearly with mutual love and admiration for each other (neither conscious of the cameras).
I'm pretty sure that moment, for me, will be the lasting image of the convention. I don't care what the guy's politics are - his soul shone in the interaction with his grand daughter.
Cheers.
Posted by: denmac
| August 25, 2008 8:56 PM
Biden: Warmonger, Wordmonger
And Political Hit Man
By Webster G. Tarpley
Biden is himself an incurable warmonger who voted for the Iraq war and blathered ceaselessly in favor of Bush's aggressive adventure to all who would listen. Naming Biden is a brutal insult to the antiwar majority of the Democratic Party, and Obama is obviously hoping that the Iraq war issue is dead, so nobody will care. Last year, Obama promised that he would work against the mentality that produced Iraq; if anyone incarnates that mentality, it is Biden. Biden is an incurable imperialist and an eager advocate of the discredited Bush-Cheney "war on terror."
http://rense.com/general83/biden.htm
Posted by: as_if!
| August 25, 2008 10:46 PM
Plot to Kill Obama: Shoot From High Vantage Point
DENVER (CBS4) ― CBS4 has now learned at least four people are under arrest in connection with a possible plot to kill Barack Obama at his Thursday night acceptance speech in Denver. All are being held on either drug or weapons charges.
CBS4 Investigator Brian Maass reported one of the suspects told authorities they were "going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a ... rifle … sighted at 750 yards."
Law enforcement sources tell Maass that one of the suspects "was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama. He responded in the affirmative."
http://tinyurl.com/5q5tpk
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 11:14 PM
Why Hillary lost? Study finds Americans prefer male leaders (Pew Center)
http://tinyurl.com/5jslgl
Posted by: Diff
| August 25, 2008 11:27 PM
http://tinyurl.com/54ubry
Posted by: capt
| August 25, 2008 11:32 PM
Jon Stewart lectures reporters on coverage
DENVER (CNN) - As Comedy Central's "Daily Show" descends on Denver for four days of coverage, Jon Stewart took after the "established" media for getting too cozy with candidates and regurgitating campaign spin when it comes to political coverage.
In a breakfast with reporters, Stewart directed most of his ire at the 24-hour cable news networks, which he called "gerbil wheels," and said the media at-large had "abdicated" to what he called the "slow-witted beast."
He said the never-ending television news cycle creates a "false sense of urgency" and forces reporters to "follow the veins that have been mined," instead of pursuing serious and in-depth reporting.
http://tinyurl.com/6o25av
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How surreal to have the "Comedy guy" dress down the so-called real journalists and reporters and he is both serious and correct.
Posted by: capt
| August 26, 2008 7:40 AM
Barak Obama won the Dem. primary. He did not win the majority of votes. The Clinton supporters who will not follow her lead and support Obama are just some of the voters he needs to win over.
Bill Clinton must really be pissed off with Obama's choice of (pro Iraq War) Joe Biden as VP. It confirms the truth of Clinton's comment that the whole Anti-Iraq sanctimoniousness of the Obama campaign was just "a fairy tale".
Nothing like rubbing it in.
Posted by: bleue
| August 26, 2008 10:46 AM
Barak Obama won the Dem. primary. He did not win the majority of votes. The Clinton supporters who will not follow her lead and support Obama are just some of the voters he needs to win over.
Bill Clinton must really be pissed off with Obama's choice of (pro Iraq War) Joe Biden as VP. It confirms the truth of Clinton's comment that the whole Anti-Iraq sanctimoniousness of the Obama campaign was just "a fairy tale".
Nothing like rubbing it in.
Posted by: bleue
| August 26, 2008 10:48 AM
A Look Back at Hillary's Year in Pantsuits
Glamour Magazine Salutes Hillary Clinton's Rainbow Coalition of Pantsuits
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5656295
Posted by: capt
| August 26, 2008 11:03 AM
I'm thrilled that Senator Clinton is addressing the Dem Convention on the anniversary of the passage of the 19th amendment.
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Posted by: Virginia Harris
| August 26, 2008 11:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ9GZ6uz2Bg
Kucinich on Biden for VP.
Posted by: capt
| August 26, 2008 12:32 PM
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