When It Comes to McCain Blasts, Must Democrats Avoid Red Meat?

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Soon after I wrote yesterday's posting--in which I questioned whether the Democratic convention was producing enough red-meat attacks against John McCain--I ran into Senator Dick Durbin, the Illinois Democrat and No. 2 in the Senate. I asked whether the Obama people planning the convention had made the slightest of strategic errors by not striking at McCain in a harsher manner. No, no, no, said Durbin, who has been one of Barack Obama's most enthusiastic supporters in Democratic officialdom. "They're cutting ads right now that will be a lot sharper," he noted, referring to spots that would come out after the convention. "We need to come out of here with a positive message."

Well, we'll have to see how strong those ads are. But on Thursday night, the main speakers at the convention generally stuck to the usual practice: praise McCain's heroism, courage and service to the country and then say the problem with him is that he has a few bad ideas. Joe Biden, who as veep-mate is supposed to be the lead attack dog, went on about how McCain's courage "amazes" him and noted that his friendship with McCain transcends politics. As I've written before, this strategy of heaping praise on McCain the man and then questioning McCain's ideas may place the Dems in a corner. McCain attacks Obama for being a traitor. He says Obama is so ambitious he is willing to lose a war to win an election. That's a damn ugly charge. It's a vicious indictment of Obama's character. What do the Obama-ites do? They say McCain is a man of solidity but they disagree with his policy notions. Not very even, right?

So don't the Dems then have to ratchet up? Show voters he's a phony maverick or a warmonger or completely out of touch (with the Internet, the economy, take your choice)? After all, if the choice for the voters is a good man with some bad ideas or a bad man with some good ideas, wouldn't many choose the former?

Hours after Biden's speech, I found myself in a hotel restaurant at closing time with an assortment of reporters and political ops. I raised this point, and a Democratic political consultant (not the one I mentioned yesterday) disagreed. This person said that there had been a loot of private polling done on the Democratic side that indicates that on-the-fence voters would not buy a direct slam on McCain and that they would not absorb any negative information about him unless the attacker paid tribute to McCain's military service. The consultant was adamant on this point. S/he maintained that the polling did show that voter perceptions of McCain could be changed to benefit Obama, if the attack was crafted the right way and McCain was not merely blasted.

I don't have access to this empirical data. It could be overwhelmingly convincing. (My table-mate did not reveal who had done this polling.) But if the Democratic assault on McCain has to be nuanced and tempered with praise, that could be quite tricky for the Obama campaign to pull off. It's clear that the McCain attack on Obama ain't gonna be subtle. Not next week in St. Paul. And certainly not in the weeks after that.

For my review of the third night of the convention, click here.

    Comments

  1. Fixed?

    Posted by: Hajji Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 3:13 PM

  2. Maybe the old ways will work but in a poll GOPhers were asked would you like McCain or someone else?

    42% said someone else.

    The disunity is in the GOP camp - the reversal so Rovian.

    So let them throw the kitchen sink. It isn't going to win them any votes.

    Thanks!

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 3:50 PM

  3. """(democrats) praise McCain's heroism, courage and service"""

    oh he is a hero because he got shot down while he was dropping bombs on innocent civilians?

    Posted by: as_if! Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 4:07 PM

  4. "You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you."

    ~ Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)


    Hmmmm disunity, eh? Celebrity? People don't know him?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 4:11 PM

  5. the democrats would be fools to, as you say, "avoid the red meat".
    but maybe they are fools regardless. after all, somebody did try to murder some of them (anthrax letters!) and yet none of them seem to be outraged.

    Open Letter To Former US
    Senator Tom Daschle Regarding
    The FBI's Bogus Anthrax Inquiry:

    http://tinyurl.com/6ox2fv
    ------
    what is up with this generation of democrats? they have not even tried to oppose bushco's phony "war on terror" (a war OF terror).
    these democrats are as craven as these republicans are.

    criminal politics - why the democratic convention is ultimately a sick joke:

    http://tinyurl.com/6fpj67

    Posted by: as_if! Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 4:23 PM

  6. When I see POW these days I always think Batman!

    Pow - zonk - boom!

    McCain and Robin 2008?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 4:24 PM

  7. According to the latest BHO ad, Bill Ayers' actions are not relevant to the Obama campaign, because BHO was 4 years old when the terrorism was perpetrated -

    "William Ayers, who was a founder of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground, told FOX News correspondent James Rosen in a candid 2004 interview that he still believed he was “on the side of justice” years after the group’s wave of attacks.

    In the interview, conducted three years after the September 11 attacks, Ayers argued the U.S. government had carried out “many other acts of terror … even recently, that are comparable,” and claimed he and his bomb-planting comrades were “restrained” in their actions.

    Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois, Chicago, served with Barack Obama on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago for three years and helped launch Obama’s political career in Illinois by hosting in his Hyde Park home an informal campaign event for the future state senator in 1995."

    So, remind me, how old was BHO in 2004? Because his buddy was ON THE RECORD as being an unrepentent TERRORIST as recently as 2004.!

    The truth will be told - no lawsuit will prevent it.

    Remember, Barak Hussein Obama's DISDAIN for the U.S. Military HAS COST HIM THE ELECTION.

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 5:38 PM

  8. John McCain's Jekyll, Hyde Obama ads


    DENVER - "Dangerously unprepared.''

    That's what one of John McCain's campaign TV ads calls Democratic rival Barack Obama.

    "Job well done.''

    That's what McCain says of Obama in a congratulatory convention-closing night ad, shown above, that the Republican is airing about his Democratic rival at nomination here in Denver. It's airing in several key states.

    It's enough to make a voter's head spin.

    http://tinyurl.com/5ujuag


    *****

    Seems like McCain is going for the insane people vote?

    Maybe this tactic will work?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 5:48 PM

  9. In New Mexico, Obama appears to be pulling away. He is now leading 53% to 40%. Like Nevada and Colorado, the state has a large Latino population favorably disposed to Obama. If Obama can win the Kerry states plus Iowa (which looks increasingly like it is in the bag for him) plus New Mexico, he has 264 electoral votes. That means he needs to win only one state out of the set: Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Missouri, Colorado, and Nevada. McCain has to hold all six of these key swing states. (If Obama wins just Nevada, it becomes 269-269 and goes to the House. There will be a long posting about that scenario after the news of the conventions dies down.)

    http://electoral-vote.com/

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 5:54 PM

  10. The Five Faces of Barack Obama

    Black man. Healer. Novice. Radical. The future. He is different things to different people. But only one is his key to victory

    http://tinyurl.com/5rp7zs


    Interesting piece.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 5:57 PM

  11. NOT EXACTLY!

    Black LA Talk Radio Host Exposes Obama Lies

    http://rense.com/general83/lah.htm

    Posted by: as_if! Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:00 PM

  12. "Next, let's examine Obama's claim that his connection to Ayers and Dohrn is "tenuous" and "phony." Is it phony that Obama's political coming-out party in the mid-1990s was hosted by Ayers and Dohrn? What about the panel discussions in which Ayers and Obama both took part—that were organized by Michelle Obama? Tenuous? I suppose the goodbye party for prominent Israel basher and Arafat apologist Rashid Khalidi, attended by Obama, Ayers and Dohrn, is also unworthy of discussion. That Khalidi himself hosted a fundraiser for Obama's first Congressional campaign must be completely irrelevant, too."

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:03 PM

  13. "The funds Obama and Ayers helped control at the Woods Foundation funneled thousands of dollars into both Khalidi's organization and the now-infamous Trinity United Church of Christ."

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:05 PM

  14. McCain: Iraq is ‘A Peaceful And Stable Country Now’

    [...]

    Q: Some members of the [Iraqi] government have made it clear in the last month or two that they might want to withdraw before complete stability, before totally secure borders, before some of the completeness of victory as you described. Is there any change, do you think there is some wiggle room there because what you described with Petraeus was an end point that was rather complete — a peaceful, stable country.

    MCCAIN: Its a peaceful and stable country now.

    http://tinyurl.com/5hhjqq

    *****

    Wow.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:06 PM

  15. "Would Obama be friendly with someone who actually bombed abortion clinics and defends that conduct? Not likely. But he is friendly with William Ayers, a leader of the radical Weather Underground, which in the 1970s carried out numerous bombings, including one inside the U.S. Capitol. "

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:07 PM

  16. ThinkProgress spoke with Reps. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and Robert Wexler (D-FL) at the Democratic National Convention today, and asked them their response to McCain’s assertion. Wexler was incredulous, declaring, “He’s just dead wrong”:

    WEXLER: Sen McCain’s judgment unfortunately has become so mistaken on so many things, and this is yet another example of his apparently not understanding the facts on the ground whatsoever. There still is a totally unacceptable level of killing in Iraq. There has been in effect ethnic cleansing in Iraq where religious groups are totally separated from one another. How he can call Iraq — what did you say he called it?

    TP: A peaceful and stable country.

    WEXLER: It is the furthest thing from a peaceful and stable country. And I guess if in fact he’s right then why do we have 150,000 troops there? We ought to bring them all home as quickly as possible even under his logic. He’s just dead wrong.

    Ellison agreed, calling McCain’s assessment “ridiculous.” He noted that “the people of Iraq probably would not agree with that”:

    ELLISON: I’d say the people of Iraq probably would not agree with that. Besides the ongoing warfare, death, destruction, people dying every single day…there still is no system of clean sewage, water, electricity. People are still living in dire circumstances. People are still suffering every day. … That’s ridiculous. It just goes to prove that this guy does not get it.

    (Thinkprogress)

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:08 PM

  17. "Obama and Ayers voted to give $75,000 to Rashid Khalidi, a Yasser Arafat protege in the PLO, during their tenure with the Woods Foundation. "

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:08 PM

  18. "One year before McCain achieved freedom, Ayers participated in a bombing of the Pentaton. Of that day, Ayers wrote:

    Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.

    The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:13 PM

  19. "Barack Obama will cut taxes for over 95% of American families (even though more than half of American think he'll raise their taxes)"


    http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

    A bit general but informational just the same.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 6:13 PM

  20. "DENVER — Former president Jimmy Carter called Republican presidential candidate John McCain a "distinguished Naval officer," but said the Arizona senator has been "milking every possible drop of advantage" from his time served as a prisoner of war in Vietnam."

    Go Dems!!! Make it all Pelosi+Kerry+Carter all the time!!!!

    Posted by: denmac Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 8:25 PM

  21. Wow, I'd hate to be running against Barack.

    Welcome to the general election.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | August 28, 2008 11:19 PM

  22. Never underestimate Republican's ability to smear their opponents. It isn't how you play the game, it's whether you win or lose.

    Posted by: billp Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 12:12 AM

  23. Awesome night. Awesome speech, Awesome convention.

    Get ready for the mud... get ready for the slime... That's ALL they've got...

    We've got nothing to fear but fear itself...

    It might work for them, but what a pyrrhic victory if McCain wins the White House, faces a Democratic Congress, and everyone knows it was all on the basis of character assassination...

    Sometimes an alcoholic has to hit rock bottom before they can make a change... That's what a McCain victory will ultimately be recorded as...

    We'll all feel like we're in that box in Vietnam...

    Posted by: Diff Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 12:18 AM

  24. It's interesting that whatever positives Sen. McCain has going for him are obliterated by the negatives of the folks he associates with these days. Sen. Obama was able to level Phil Gramm and take the McCain campaign down a few notches without directly attacking Sen. McCain. And others in the Obama campaign should also point out that Gramm, while a senator, proudly led the charge for deregulation that made possible both Enron's rape of the California electricity markets and much of the "securities" market fraud that enabled the subprime meltdown. Attack the Bush-Cheney-Rove-Rumsfeld regime over and over and over; tie McCain to virtually all of the policies of that regime; and attack the neocon advisers who are part and parcel of the McCain campaign. All of that can be done without attacking Sen. McCain's motives. And then ask the voters, "Why has he surrounded himself with these people?"

    Posted by: Unitarian Patriot Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 12:39 AM

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