I told you the Pennsylvania primary would not settle anything. Not that that was such a daring prediction. Here is my insta-analysis, first posted at MotherJones.com. Feel free to share your views in the comments section.
The Democratic contest has been a 50-50 proposition for months now--more precisely, a 51-49 percent endeavor or maybe a 52-48-percent face-off in Barack Obama's favor, according to the pledged delegate count and the popular vote. Hillary Clinton's 9-point win in the Keystone State (which apparently did not net her a significant pickup in pledged delegates) does not change this. In fact, her Pennsylvania triumph does not change the fundamentals of the race. Obama is still on track to end the primaries with a slight edge in pledged delegates. And Clinton is still in the race, clinging tightly to her candidacy and reiterating rationales to stay in the hunt: I have more experience; I'm better prepared to be commander-in-chief; I've withstood the worst of the GOP attack machine; I've won the big states.
Bottom line: It's not over, and the contest is not likely to end anytime soon. At HRC HQ in Philadelphia on Tuesday night, Terry McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign manager, ebulliently declared, "She is taking this all the way to Denver." But many Democratic superdelegates and insiders are hardly enthusiastic about a bitterly fought campaign that trudges through the next nine primaries (which conclude in early June) and then continues, as a media-driven contest of Democrat-on-Democrat sniping, for three months until the convention in Denver at the end of August. The question is, will these Democrats be able to do anything about it?
If Clinton is committed to going the distance, she cannot be stopped. No one--not even those mighty superdelegates--can literally force her out. She cannot win the final primaries by margins large enough to erase Obama's lead in voter-determined delegates. Everyone knows that. But she can keep on challenging Obama, doing well enough--winning some contests or placing a strong second--to justify, at least to herself and her supporters, her continued presence in the race. During that time, she can hope something happens that does alter the landscape (look, evidence that Obama is indeed a secret Muslim!), and she can also lay the groundwork for a post-primaries effort to persuade superdelegates to overturn Obama's narrow victory among pledged delegates. Yet that project can only succeed with successful assaults on Obama. Her path to the nomination depends on one fuel: fierce attacks. She can win the nomination only by tearing down Obama after the voting is done and by threatening party unity.
Clinton is obviously fine with that--at this stage. But how far is she willing to go? Her shots at Obama may have helped her win in Pennsylvania. But they were not cost-free. According to the exit polls, 42 percent of the Pennsylvania Democratic voters consider Clinton untrustworthy. (Thirty percent said the same about Obama.) Sixty-seven percent said they believed she had attacked Obama unfairly. Only 49 percent said Obama had thrown low-blows. And Clinton did not redefine her standing among Democrats. Two-thirds of Pennsylvania's Democratic voters said Clinton was "in touch with people" like them. Yet two-thirds had the same assessment of Obama. Despite all the fuss about Obama's "bitter" remark, Clinton had no edge in the candidate-of-the-people category. And 51 percent of the voters said the candidate quality they consider most important was the ability to implement change. Among these voters, Obama attracted 70 percent.
With her Pennsylvania win, Clinton can raise funds--her campaign claimed millions of dollars poured in on Tuesday night--and she can proceed to Indiana and North Carolina (which hold primaries on May 6), staying alive because she insists she is alive. Remember the Monty Python "dead parrot" bit? As long as Clinton refuses to concede she cannot win, she remains a contender--or at least a force Obama and the Democratic Party must contend with. After all, the party has no official coroner who can pronounce her gone. And--no small matter--Democratic voters do keep turning out for her. In her victory speech in Philadelphia, she depicted herself as a politician who fights damn hard on the campaign trail for you and who will fight damn hard in the White House for you. Clearly, she was trying to turn what some superdelegates might perceive as an irritant or problem--her stubborn determination--into a reason why superdelegates ought to dump Obama for her.
During the Monica Lewinsky scandal--when many pundits and Clinton foes predicted Bill Clinton's demise--the Clintons learned a valuable lesson: sometimes you just have to put one foot in front of the other and keep moving ahead, paying no heed to those who say you have no choice but to quit. They had their party--most of it--behind them during those days. And now Hillary Clinton, with significant voter support, is plodding ahead, stuck with a strategy that at his point leaves her only the nuclear option of nullifying Obama's primary and caucus victories. But, she can reason, if I am not dead, then I'm still alive--and still have a chance. Politically speaking, she is somewhere between dead and alive. The undead? The next primaries may nudge her closer to one of those poles. And, once again, they may not be decisive. But as of now, amid the glow of her Pennsylvania victory, it's up to Hillary Clinton to decide at what point might rest the bitter end.
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You just can't get away from Monica can you Corn? Disgusting.
Posted by: Patsi
| April 23, 2008 6:44 AM
Coming into today, the odds that Clinton would catch Obama in pledged delegates were very small. Now they're zero. Before Pennsylvania, Clinton needed to win each remaining primary with 65 percent of the vote to close the gap. Even though she won Pennsylvania, that figure is now just over 68 percent. (Try it on the calculator below by dragging the red bar at the top to the right.) Furthermore, the state with the most remaining delegates is North Carolina, where Obama leads in the polls by about 20 points. Assuming he nets at least 20 more of the state's 115 delegates, Clinton needs 80 percent of the vote in each of the other eight remaining primaries to catch up.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 8:59 AM
Would HRC have dropped out if she lost? Not bloody likely.
She would come up with a reason to stay in, period.
BHO is the nominee unless he drops out or dies.
HRC will do as much damage to him in the guise of a one in a trillion chance. She is so kind.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 9:31 AM
What the pundits and others are overlooking is a lot of Clinton's votes come from cross over Republicans who have no intention of voting Democratic in the election. The RNC is dying for Clinton to be in the race to rally their base behind their very weak candidate, they are panicked over Obama; so they will do anything to make sure she is it.
Posted by: GG
| April 23, 2008 10:12 AM
I haven't read much today but I wonder if any pundits are pointing out that HRC needed to have a huge blow-out to retain the slightest hope?
If she is viable why couldn't she get the numbers she needs to actually win? Doesn't that matter?
UGH!
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 11:58 AM
All the spin boils down to a simple truth: Clinton now has almost no chance of winning on the delegate count. Barring Obama getting eaten by a bear, it's not going to happen, so the Clinton campaign wants the superdelegates to overturn the primary and caucus results at the convention and appoint her the rightful winner, even though she is, at this point, clearly losing. That's going to be a tough sell, if all Clinton has to offer is one state's worth of "momentum" or the rather odd logic that, since Obama has supposedly not sufficiently proven his campaign viability by kicking her completely to the curb by now, the superdelegates should instead hitch their wagons to a candidate who has been proven to be less viable than him.
(kos)
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 12:26 PM
I told you the Pennsylvania primary would not settle anything.
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Wrong!
It proves once again that Obummer can't win a big state. No wonder you Cornnuts are in panic mode today!
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I haven't read much today but I wonder if any pundits are pointing out that HRC needed to have a huge blow-out to retain the slightest hope?
Ten points is a huge blow out! Obummer even out spent Hillary 3 to 1 and couldn't even get close~~~~
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 12:40 PM
Exit Polls: Whites, Blue-Collar Voters, Gun Owners Choose Clinton
(CNSNews.com) - Pennsylvania's working-class white voters helped Clinton on Tuesday, press reports said. According to exit polls, registered Democrat gun owners, people who attend church at least weekly, and rural residents supported Clinton by margins of about six in ten.
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Boy, I bet Obummer would have kept his mouth shut about that bitter remark.
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 12:44 PM
One of the arguments the Clinton campaign is making to the supers, hoping they'll overturn the will of the voters, is that Obama can't win certain demographics. Yet looking at the exit poll numbers, it's clear that Obama has actually been making serious gains the past six weeks.
Obama's percent of the vote:
OH PA
60 and older 28 38
White 34 38
White men 39 44
White women 31 34
Less than $50K 42 46
No college 40 38
College 51 49
Catholic 36 31
Protestant 36 53
What was a 10.5% win in demographically friendly Ohio has become an 8.6% 9.4% win in similar Pennsylvania, except the state was even less black and with a much smaller youth voter population (Pennsylvania's seniors accounted for 32 percent of the electorate, compared to 23 percent in Ohio).
And, those gains were made despite the Wright controversy as well as manufactured bullshit about "bitter" and flag pins and whatnot.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 1:11 PM
And, those gains were made despite the Wright controversy as well as manufactured bullshit about "bitter" and flag pins and whatnot.
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Manufactured by Obama himself~~~
A loss is not a win no matter how you spin it. It's not like kids soccer where everyone gets a ribbon for participating and there is no winners or losers.
Obummer can't close the deal even with the millions he's raked in. To top it off Hillary leads in the popular vote when Mich and Fl are added in, which she won.
Don't be a sore loser!!!
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 2:31 PM
I wonder why LBH is enamoured of Obama?
Hillary is a not a great candidate. McCain is a poor candidate. Obama is fairly good.
If McCain wins, I am looking for another country to live in. This one will be flushed down the toilet before McCain leaves office if elected. I have no wish to be flushed with it. We started with Nixon/Agnew - 2 felons, followed by Ronald Reagan - a racist all the way who believed his movies were real life, then GHW Bush who had to pardon all his fellow criminals in order to avoid prison time and finally his halfwit son who made a nice $14 trilloin dollar turn around.
Posted by: kalpal
| April 23, 2008 2:50 PM
I wonder why LBH is enamoured of Obama?
Hillary is a not a great candidate. McCain is a poor candidate. Obama is fairly good.
If McCain wins, I am looking for another country to live in. This one will be flushed down the toilet before McCain leaves office if elected. I have no wish to be flushed with it. We started with Nixon/Agnew - 2 felons, followed by Ronald Reagan - a racist all the way who believed his movies were real life, then GHW Bush who had to pardon all his fellow criminals in order to avoid prison time and finally his halfwit son who made a nice $14 trilloin dollar turn around.
Posted by: kalpal
| April 23, 2008 2:51 PM
In a seven game playoff the trailing team is defeated when the winner has 4 games.
Obama has his 4 games, why is she still trying to play?
I don't even like sports, but this is worse than '"Dancing with the stars", American Idol" and "Deal or No Deal".
Even college basketball was over last month.
Posted by: geof01
| April 23, 2008 3:34 PM
The Obama campaign today announced the endorsement of 49 prominent supporters of John Edwards - including Ed Turlington, Edwards’ former National General Chairman. These North Carolina leaders - ranging from Members of Congress to a former Chief Justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court to former law partners and longtime friends of John Edwards - cite Barack Obama’s commitment to fighting for change on behalf of working Americans and taking on the special interests in Washington.
"Barack Obama and John Edwards share a commitment to taking on special interests and standing up for regular Americans. Along with Edwards supporters from across the state, I am honored to join Senator Obama's movement for change,” said Turlington. “As president, he will bring together Democrats, Republicans and Independents behind an agenda of change. From ending the war in Iraq to confronting the scourge of poverty to making health care affordable for every single American, Barack Obama will bring our country the change we need.”
The diverse group said they are voting for Obama because he is the only candidate with a proven ability to unite America around a common vision and win the votes of Republicans and Independents whose support is critical to carrying the state in the fall.
(from barackobama.com)
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 3:36 PM
kalpal, I hate to correct you but it isn't $14 trillion, maybe you missed the trade deficit which pushes it to $20 trillion, and don't forget that the new $5 buys the same as the old $10 which pushes it to $40 trillion.
At least when you leave you'll have a good chance at competing for a job with an American Company earning $2-6 per day.
Three Bush Terms
Three Recessions
Three Wars
The Endless War
I heard some guys talking after golf last night. The 1st Stooge says "yeh, I had one of them ARM mortgages back when Carter was president and rates were 18%" The 2nd Stooge says "and now he's talking to HAMAs, he outta be shot but he's not worth it".
So now I have identified three of the morons who voted for Bush TWO TIMES.
Paul Volker had the interest rates at 18% in 1980 and Ronald Reagan was the president.
Jimmy Carter has done more for our foreign policy in the past 7 years than Bush.
Dana Perino says action speaks louder than words, but does not acknowledge that diplomacy will get you there much faster than war.
Bush and Cheney need a lesson in rendition and Rice needs to be sent to Morrocco to shop for shoes; one way!
Posted by: geof01
| April 23, 2008 4:09 PM
"Jimmy Carter has done more for our foreign policy in the past 7 years than Bush."
I wasn't going to bring it up but:
I read where Israel is talking about giving up the Golan Heights? That could be some real news - and I think Jimmy opened the door on this. He is showing his age but his legacy could be bigger than any modern president if he actually got the peace train started - this time for real.
I really hope they can solve the problem. It has been a very sore spot for too long.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 4:16 PM
On his radio show yesterday, right-wing talker Dennis Prager asked Hagee to respond to “the various charges made against him” in a fact sheet put out by the Democratic National Committee. Asked about his comments on Hurricane Katrina, Hagee said “the topic of that day was cursing and blessing”:
HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. … What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.
Prager followed up by asking if all natural disasters are a result of “the divine hand” and if there is “any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?” Hagee responded by saying “it’s a result of God’s permissible will” and “that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday,” which he said “was sin”:
PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?
HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
PRAGER: No, I understand.
HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
PRAGER: No, I’m only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God’s hand was in it because of a sinful city?
HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
Unconvinced by Hagee’s explanation, Prager said “frankly” that critics “can get you” for those comments “because people don’t like to hear that sort of thing.”
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Yesterday? I wonder how fast McShame will flip flop on this one?
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 5:24 PM
I wonder why LBH is enamoured of Obama? Hillary is a not a great candidate. McCain is a poor candidate. Obama is fairly good.
kalpal
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I do not like Hillary and won't vote for her but would prefer someone actually qualified to be preisdent unlike Obummer.
Obummer can't even handle a few tough questions from reporters without whining like a child.
It's also reported that Obummer is going to get nasty and go way negative on Bill Clintons blunders. So much for change, sounds like the same old dirty polictics to me.
i have to admit that his smoke and mirrors has worked like a charm on the left who is willing to jump off a bridge for him if he asks.
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 5:32 PM
The only qualification Barack lacks is the racists can't stand a black man.
That is why they have no clear reason but always step in the vague character assaults and non-issues.
Not even worth debating the issue. Of course Barack is qualified or he couldn't run. Qualification is a matter of law, well defined and clear not some slur about him being generally too dark for some folks.
McShame can be elected if he gets more votes, from the looks of things it is not likely.
If there are any real resons to not vote for Barack I'm sure they would be easy to list clearly but alas the simple become the impossible for some people.
Issues are the issue. Nothing else but gutter balls from the Reich-wingnuttia like flag pins.
Maybe flag pins will work? People do love their distractions.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:18 PM
Get used to seven long months of this crap:
Step 1: GOP wingnut (is that redundant?) says something offensive, writes a nasty editorial, creates a vicious radio or tv spot.
Step 2: Ad receives widespread coverage and national attention.
Step 3: McCain condemns the ad/editorial/whatever.
Step 4: Chris Matthews and other bobbleheads in the media show off their man-crush for McCain while praising his integrity AND showing the offending ad/editorial on national television.
Step 5: I scream at the television and send another 25 bucks to the Obama campaign.
(Balloon Juice)
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:20 PM
Meet John 'Dubya' McCain
If you like George Bush's foreign policy, you'll love the GOP's current candidate.
John McCain knows a lot less about foreign policy than he'd have us believe. This, anyway, is the impression that's been growing in recent weeks, not least because of a much-discussed New York Times story published recently that painted a growing divide in his campaign between "pragmatists" and "neoconservatives." The candidate reportedly lacks firm ideological convictions, so a battle for "McCain's soul" may be in the offing.
And it's true: Despite his decades of supposed national security experience, it's difficult to stick an "-ism" on the tail of McCain's approach to world affairs. He's been one of the president's most fervent backers on Iraq, and yet he has also criticized the unilateralist tendencies that led the United States to war without key allies. During the 1990s, he opposed U.S. intervention in Somalia, Haiti and Bosnia, but he knocked President Clinton for his unwillingness to commit ground troops to Kosovo. Even on Vietnam -- the intervention about which one suspects he has thought the most -- McCain has both asserted that the war was winnable and also questioned whether we could have succeeded.
But in truth, McCain's foreign policy is far more consistent than it seems. Much like George W. Bush, McCain sees the world in oppositional terms -- us versus them, and good versus evil. McCain speaks often of taking the lead "in fighting this transcendent issue of our time: the battle and struggle against radical Islamic extremism." To him, it is a "transcendent struggle between good and evil." This alone tells us much of what we need to know.
(LA Times)
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There are people that think the Bush WH has been a success - all 28% of them.
I doubt any election can be won by such poor numbers but anything is possible, eh?
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:25 PM
Heart patients? mental decline baffles doctors
By Judy Foreman | September 21, 2004
When Bill Clinton underwent quadruple coronary-bypass surgery on Labor Day, the former president, like most Americans who have similar operations, spent time hooked up to a heart-lung machine while surgeons rerouted blood vessels to his heart.
With luck and his relative youth and health going for him, Clinton, 58, hopefully will rebound in both heart and mind from the surgery, in which doctors replace clogged arteries to the heart with veins and arteries taken from elsewhere in his body.
But many people who go through the procedure -- as 305,000 Americans did in 2001, the latest year for which figures are available -- find that, at least for a few days, often for weeks and sometimes for years afterward, their brains don't work as well as they did before.
Doctors who acknowledge the problem -- and some still pooh-pooh it -- call it post-surgical "neurocognitive deficits." Everybody else calls it "pump head," reflecting the widespread, though unproven, belief that it's the process of blood being pumped through a heart-lung machine while the heart is stopped for surgery that causes small blood clots, air bubbles or other debris to travel to the brain, disrupting memory.
Nobody really knows how common "pump head" is because, outside of research studies, most cardiac patients aren't tested on intellectual function before and after surgery. Detecting all but the most subtle cognitive changes "depends on how hard you look," said Dr. William Cohn, of the Texas Heart Institute in Houston.
Nonetheless, it has been convincingly demonstrated that 80 percent to 90 percent of bypass patients have some cognitive losses when they're discharged from the hospital, Dr. Daniel B. Mark and Dr. Mark F. Newman wrote in a 2002 editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
http://tinyurl.com/4t85s6
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No kiddin' - this might explain why the current Bill Clinton seems so different. Anger, confusion, even saying things that are factually false from one day to the next.
Ask any cadiologist (I have a friend) this is very likely the problem with Bubba.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:31 PM
The only qualification Barack lacks is the racists can't stand a black man.
That is why they have no clear reason but always step in the vague character assaults and non-issues.
Not even worth debating the issue. Of course Barack is qualified or he couldn't run. Qualification is a matter of law, well defined and clear not some slur about him being generally too dark for some folks.
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It's your party dude, but I would agree. Afterall the Dems were for slavery, against civil rights and KKK Bird is the party elder.
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"Qualification is a matter of law, well defined"
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Cool!
Bush thanks you for the clarification in annoucing him quite qualified as a matter of law~~ I like it!!!
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That is why they have no clear reason but always step in the vague character assaults and non-issues.
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He's not qualified because he hasn't done a damn thing in Congress or worked in a bipartisan way with Repubs to pass anything meaningful.
He has NO MEANINGFUL RECORD~~ Notta, zip, zilch!
That is not a character assault- it's a fact!
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 6:34 PM
RNC and John McCain Condemn Anti-Obama TV Ad; Hillary Clinton Mum
Now that's funny!!!
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 6:39 PM
Ex-Bush Aide's Name Surfaces in Rezko Trial
Prosecutors: Possible Witness Would Testify Rove Involved in Talks to Remove U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald From Rezko Case
A possible witness in the federal trial against Antoin "Tony" Rezko would testify that former White House aide Karl Rove was involved in discussions to remove U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald from the brewing case against the politically-connected Chicago businessman, prosecutors reportedly said Wednesday morning.
The conversations are alleged to have occurred in 2004, prosecutors told U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve in an early-morning conference, according to a transcript of the proceedings.
At that time, Fitzgerald was also investigating the White House's leak of Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA officer. Fitzgerald did not indict Rove, though the former aide reportedly faced legal jeopardy in the case, and testified four times before a grand jury on the matter.
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Roh Ro - Rove is knee deep in Rezko?
Interesting turn of events, eh?
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:40 PM
Congressional Hispanics knock Democratic leaders
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Congressional Hispanic Caucus denounced House Democratic leaders Wednesday as "spineless" and no better than Republicans for failing to take on comprehensive immigration reform.
Leaders of the all-Democratic caucus, which numbers two dozen, criticized their party leadership at a news conference for scheduling hearings on enforcement legislation and specific visa issues instead.
Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona called the Democratic caucus "spineless," while Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois said Democrats were proving themselves "no better than the Republican majority we replaced."
The lawmakers refused to name names but said the piecemeal approach wouldn't be happening without the consent of top House Democratic leaders.
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Spineless~ say's it all!
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 6:42 PM
Carter-Hamas meeting achieved nothing: Palestinians
‘I Have No Authority’: Carter Says He Wouldn’t Meet With Al Qaeda
Last week's meeting between former US president Jimmy Carter and the exiled leader of Hamas militants did not produce any results, Palestinian foreign minister Riyad al-Malki said here Wednesday.
"President Carter came to the region thinking he could achieve something. Unfortunately president Carter left without anything concrete," he told a conference in the Spanish capital.
"The only thing he achieved was permission on the part of Khaled Meshaal of Hamas to deliver a letter from a detained Israeli soldier to his family. Nothing else," he said.
"Hamas offered nothing to president Carter. They reiterated the same positions. There was no change on the part of Hamas," Malki added.
Carter's meetings with top Hamas leader Meshaal and his deputy in Syria angered Israel and the United States, which consider the movement a terror group despite its victory in 2006 elections.
He was unable to secure a ceasefire or a prisoner exchange for an Israeli soldier seized by Gaza militants in 2006, but on Monday Carter said Hamas told him it would recognise Israel's right to exist such a deal was approved by a Palestinian vote.
Just hours later Meshaal told a press conference in Damascus that Hamas would not recognise the Jewish state and would insist on the right of return for 4.5 million Palestinian refugees.
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Another notch for Carters seven years of failure~
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 6:47 PM
McCain asks NC GOP not to run ad
[...]
McCain, in an e-mail to Daves, said he will draw sharp contrasts with Democrats. "But we need not engage in political tactics that only seek to divide the American people."
Asked about the ad during an appearance in New Albany, Ind., Obama said: "My understanding is that the Republican National Committee and John McCain have both said that the ad's inappropriate. I take them at their word, and I assume that if John McCain thinks that it's an inappropriate ad, that he can get them to pull it down since he's their nominee and standard-bearer."
North Carolina GOP spokesman Brent Woodcox said the ad will begin running statewide on Monday, a week before the state's crucial May 6 primary. The ad actually targets gubernatorial candidates Richard Moore and Bev Perdue, Democrats who have endorsed Obama.
"We have a great relation with the RNC and we fully support John McCain for president," Woodcox said. "But this is an ad about two North Carolina candidates for governor. The ad is going to run."
(Yahoo)
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John McShame is eitherr the leader of the party or he is a follower, which it is?
I think that is the sound of the NC GOP flipping McShame the bird.
I'm sure he would govern with the same authority?
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 6:50 PM
I'm sure he would govern with the same authority?
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Dude, the Dems have such authority that they can't decide to count all votes (Fl, Mi) or not count all votes.
They can't decide who to lead them (Obummer or Hillary)
They can't decide if their for NAFTA or against it.
They can't decide how many troops will be in Iraq in 2010.
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with the ad and McCain is wrong to denounce it. By God, Hillary doesn't have a problem with it.
Posted by: LBH
| April 23, 2008 7:04 PM
So if Obama had a lengthy record of legislative accomplishments he could count on the cons to vote for him?
Now that is funny. (on so many levels)
Is it so hard to bring ones self to say:
I am in favor of tax cuts for millionaires, no social services for the poor or disabled, more and endless war, bigger government, corporate welfare, lobbyist writing the laws and regulations and the rest of the con platform or is it just too easy to demur to flag pins, pastors and gotcha BS?
(Rhetorical)
Such aversion to issues does prove true:
"It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them."
Pierre Beaumarchais (1732 - 1799)
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 7:08 PM
If Irony killed:
McCain picks failing Ohio factory to laud free trade
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — Standing before a nearly shuttered factory pocked with broken windows in a city devastated by the erosion of its industrial base, John McCain on Tuesday urged Americans to reject the "siren song of protectionism" and embrace free trade.
He used his own recent political fortunes — a dramatic fade followed by an unexpected comeback to secure the Republican presidential nomination — to illustrate that depressed Rust Belt cities such as Youngstown can rebound.
"A person learns along the way that if you hold on — if you don't quit no matter what the odds — sometimes life will surprise you," McCain said in a speech at Youngstown State University after meeting the five remaining workers at Fabart, a steel-fabricating factory that had more than 100 employees a few years ago.
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Maybe nobody will notice?
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 7:11 PM
McCain calls anti-Obama ad offensive; Republicans plan to air it anyway
The North Carolina Republican Party says it will air an ad linking two Democratic candidates for governor to Barack Obama's controversial former minister, despite objections from Sen. John McCain.
The ad shows video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and then slams Lt. Gov. Beverly Perdue and state Treasurer Richard Moore.
"Now, Bev Perdue and Richard Moore endorse Barack Obama," the ad states. "They should know better. He's just too extreme for North Carolina."
McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee for president, sent N.C. GOP Chairwoman Linda Daves an e-mail today about what he called an "offensive advertisement." "The television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with the Democrats," he wrote. "In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement."
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Funny little game - if McCain is the GOP leader the NC GOP would listen. Maybe this is just plausible deniability? That type of thing is pretty low and lacking of character. But if he is willing to wear a flag pin . . .
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 7:16 PM
McCain's Peak?
Even with the Democratic Party locked in a fierce civil war, John McCain still hasn't pulled ahead of either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in national polls.
The Democratic primary campaign - divisive, bitter, and seemingly endless - has made many Republicans optimistic about their party's prospects for retaining the White House this November. But the numbers still seem to tell a different story -- and not just secondary indicators like the enormous gap between McCain's fundraising and the dollars his Democratic rivals are raking in, or the underlying economic realities that will make this a tough year for the GOP no matter what. The polls themselves aren't running McCain's way, or at least not to the extent that would justify the current wave of conservative optimism about November.
Now of course no poll taken in April can tell us all that much about a vote that's held in November: Elections that look close can turn into routs and vice versa, and huge polling margins can vanish in the blink of an eye. (Ask Michael Dukakis how well his seventeen-point margin from early-summer 1988 held up in the end.) But by all rights, this ought to be a peak time for McCain's numbers - not the peak, necessarily, but certainly a high point. His right-wing critics are making nice with him, his favorable ratings are sky-high, and his opponents are too busy driving each other's negative ratings upward to spend any time (or money, more importantly) putting a dent in his halo. Moreoever, the Democrats' intra-party tensions are bound to diminish once the party picks a nominee: At least some of the Hillary supporters who tell pollsters that they'd vote for McCain over Obama may actually follow through on that pledge, but a lot of today's McCainocrats will come home to the Democratic fold when all is said and done.
Yet even with all this going for him, McCain's poll numbers are bumping up against the same 45 percent ceiling that they've been hitting since December. If the election were held today - a pretty good day for McCain, all things considered - he'd probably lose to Obama, and might lose to Clinton as well. That doesn't mean he will lose, by any stretch, but it certainly doesn't bode well for November.
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The war party will be re-branded the "Wrong-war party" by November, the "It's the economy stupid" will be revived times two, and the age thing will never get past the thinking public.
I see a landslide in the making if the neocons stick with the flag pins and Wright.
Those non-issues have brought in so much money to the GOP (not) - the non-issues have made the GOP enthusiastic (not), the non-issues haven't helped put food on the table in one home, they haven't helped one kid in school, they haven't helped a disabled veteran, they haven't addressed the folly in Iraq - Oh SNAP - now I know why the neocons want to talk about flag pins and pastors. It is truly all they have.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 7:29 PM
"It's the height of hypocrisy that the NC GOP would start running this racist ad even as John McCain tours African-American communities this week, pretending to be a different brand of Republican politics," said Jerry Meek, North Carolina Democratic Party Chairman in a press release denouncing the "divisive ad."
Meek wants McCain to do more than just send a letter to Daves. In his press release, he said, "While we appreciate Senator McCain's willingness to keep the campaign on higher ground, he should have acted sooner. News of this story has been buzzing for the past 24 hours. If McCain really wanted North Carolina Republicans to be worthy of the principles he believes, he could have picked up the phone and called Ms. Daves."
What are Republicans doing sticking their noses into a Democratic primary race, anyway?
"Yeah, it's weird because they usually don't start sliming us until the general election, but the Republican Party in North Carolina isn't in good shape. They're probably using the ad as a way to raise money. That's what they usually do. This is just a sign of things to come," said one long-time Democratic operative working for a statewide candidate in Raleigh
(huffpo)
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Hypocritical politicians - go figure.
Posted by: capt
| April 23, 2008 9:48 PM
The Two-headed Giant that Barack is battling — the Clintons and the Republican Machine are very good, I would say excellent at re-labelling a person and re-characterizing them by use of Media brought and sold by the Republican Party most for the part to shape, mold, distort, lie, carricature a person so the very thing they are not is not seen and what they are not is seen! Barack's achievement in Pa -- to close the gap was a success due to the fact that the Clintons' have an army of political hacks that owe them and they call in favors all over the country -- Barack does not have that long coatail behind him, but what he does have is political people who are tired of the spin and dishonesty and loyalty to the corporations and who want change so they turn to Obama for that best sense of hope and inpiration which can bring about real change. Obama does not have to tear down his oppnents or speak with a Loud Voice for the masses to hear him. He is up against a Mighty Giant in the Clintons and the Republicans: Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, Wolf Blitzer, and Fox News TV which berate and belittle Barack daily 24 hours a day and yet he is the one that is still standing and still winning although bloodied and bruised up as Rush Limbaugh asked his loyalists to do, and the very Republicans that are helping her now will turn on her like a mighty sword come Fall is she is the nominee! They must know some things that they are holding back on because they are trying their darndest to get her to become the Democratic nominee, that is who they want to run against and so she has a stallworth ally in the Republicans for now. I don't think she is going to make it over the goalpost, no matter what. As Michael Moore so ably pointed out in his recent endorsement, Hillary Clinton chides Barack for his Pastor being Rev. Wright, yet who did they turn to when Bill was facing Impeachment due the Monical Lewinsky scandal, who did they call -- yes, the very Rev. Wright himself, such hypocrisy! However, we, the people do have a say in this process, although that too can be questioneed with some of the suspect "voting machines" still in process. But we will battle on for indepedence and a true democratic say in this process of ours!
Posted by: bacaangel
| April 24, 2008 5:40 AM
HRC - “There are black bears in North Carolina and there are bears all over the USA. My opponent is not bear proof - none of us are. There is no reason to think my opponent will not be eaten by a bear before the convention so I will stay in the race”
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 10:33 AM
Wolfson:
"Hillary in no way wants Barack to be eaten by a bear. She deplores bears eating politicians or any American. She has never been pro-bear and never will be. The fact that Obama's camp would intimate she is pro-bear is a distortion and an outright lie. We expect a full retraction and an apology"
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 10:46 AM
Bill Clinton on the bear scandal:
"Look, we know Jesse Jackson was almost eaten by a bear and that even Al Sharpton was chased by a bear once. I asked Hamilton Jordan if he thought my wifes comments were pro-bear and he didn't think so. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said bears only eat black men. That is playing the race card on me. I am not playing that game."
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 10:50 AM
James Carville:
"I hope the bears are hungry this year, yeah I said it. So what? Bears have a right to eat and if they eat Barack what are we going to do, stop the planet? We will need someone qualified to run this country. No reason bears should starve in the process."
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 10:59 AM
Tonight on Hardball - Smokey the bear on Hillary’s bear attacks and puts to rest any worry of bears eating politicians.
(HA! fair enough!)
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 11:03 AM
David Letterman:
"At least we don't have to worry about any bears eating any of the Republican candidates - they all taste like Viagra, booze, dirty money and diapers - and not necessarilly in that order"
Posted by: capt
| April 24, 2008 11:05 AM
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