It's back to pander-politics. And unfortunately for Barack Obama, such tactics often pay off for pols.
There is little doubt that a federal gas tax holiday is bad policy. John McCain first proposed suspending the 18-cents-per-gallon tax for the summer months, and then Hillary Clinton jumped in, adding that oil companies should be slapped with a windfall profits tax to make up for the $9 billion in highway construction and maintenance funds that would be loss if the federal gas tax was waived for three months. Such a temporary measure would do nothing to address the fundamental energy problems of the nation. And Obama points out it will save the average American a mere $28 and, worse, it could cause prices to go up by encouraging more driving in a peak travel period and boosting the demand for gasoline. He's certainly right. It's no more than a Band-Aid--and, even then, not such a good stopgap measure.
But taking this egghead position has placed him in the middle, with Clinton and McCain shooting at him from different sides. Both are exploiting the moment to pound Obama further for being supposedly out of touch with common folks (i.e., voters). Clinton has been running television ads in Indiana slamming Obama for not supporting the gas tax proposal. The Republican National Committee has zapped out press releases blasting Obama for referring to McCain's gas tax plan as a "gimmick" and a "scheme."
So we're back to the perennial question: how mature are voters? Do they fall for the no-pain, quick-fix? Can they see through transparent pandering? The "First Read" gang at MSNBC had some interesting thoughts on this front:
Clinton is trying to harken back to the '90s and hammer home the "I feel your pain" aspect of the Clinton years that voters responded to so well back then. But the debate over the gas-tax holiday is an interesting one -- and it's a test of just how closely voters are following the campaign. Will voters respond simply on the pocketbook front and demand this gas tax holiday, despite all the downsides that many experts have outlined about the idea? It's the old "if it feels good, do it" (that Clinton and McCain have seen succeed for so long during times that pocketbook politics have dominated the debate) versus the intellectual argument Obama is trying to have (that usually is praised by, well, intellectuals but dismissed by rank-and-file voters who want their tax cut or gas prices cut). Clinton is trying to own this issue big time -- even running TV ads about it and constantly criticizing Obama for not supporting the gas-tax holiday. Obama's criticism of McCain's plan and Clinton's are accurate. The only problem is it leaves voters saying, "Ok, it's a gimmick; so what's your proposal? This feels like Clinton v. Tsongas '92. But the electorate acts as if its more informed than it was 16 years ago, and also could be a bit more distrustful of government handouts than in the past. Regardless, one could argue that the Clinton-Obama debate over this issue sums up their candidacies and potential presidencies. In this environment, which do voters prefer?
So as Obama has been tied up by the Wright business (and doing his best to respond to the recent Wright eruption), Clinton has been hoping to trump him in the I'm-more-like-you category. That is, like you, I'm damn pissed off by these freckin' high gas prices--can you believe what it costs to fill up?!!!--and I've got something to do about it right now. Her unsaid message: While Obama is dealing with all that black stuff, I'm fighting for you and am willing to kick the oil company in the teeth to save you a couple of bucks a week.
Will it work? Indianans and North Carolinians will tell us on Tuesday.
Comments
Summing up McCain's health care plan.
Health Care. As long as you're in good health, who cares?
Summing up McCain and Clinton's energy plan to cut gas prices.
Rolling back the the federal tax will have the effect of rolling back prices two weeks.
On being a small business in the Bush economy.
What income? What taxes? What rebate check? What tax credit on no taxes to pay to buy 1/2 of what health care? Every plan the GOP comes up with assumes we all are making the same income these guys have.
McCain's Mid East plan. Send more puppies! He must have seen Mom and Dad Save the Planet with Teri Garr and Jon Lovitz. After the Todd Spango Army (TSA) patrol all pick up the light grenade and disappear, the last guy says "we need reinforcements".
Clinton and McCain hand in hand. Clinton passes the Americans with Disabilities Act and McCain comes along to challenge the White House as being able to handle his 100% disability.
Sadr City launching rockets into the Green Zone. US sending tanks into Sadr City. This hasn't worked in The West Bank for the last 60 years, how does Petraeous think it will work in Baghdad? These people need electricity, food jobs and freedom. What do we offer them? Only the opportunity to understand what a light weight Saddam was.
Bush's final act - a world economy that starves 100 million people. Thanks to congress for saying he's almost gone why stir things up? If he had ten days left, his rendition would still have time to save us from another mistake.
Posted by: geof01
| April 30, 2008 11:16 AM
Goes to show that Little Bitty Homeschooler isn't "reday" for 3rd-grade. Obama doesn't have to "debate" HRC any more than Gramps has to debate Frederick of Hollywood Thompson.
By Pansy
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Dude, Obama got his pansy ass kicked in the last debate which is why he's chosen to be a coward!!!
A vote for Obummer is a vote for McCain~~LOL troll food~~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 11:53 AM
Liberalism at it's best~~~~~
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Franken to pay $70K in back taxes
The luster may be beginning to come off Al Franken’s Senate campaign in Minnesota.
The comedian-turned-Democratic politician announced on Tuesday that he will be paying $70,000 in back taxes and penalties in 17 states after several weeks in which the campaign downplayed the amount of money that his company owed and changed the reasons for why the taxes (and workers' compensation insurance) had not been paid. During this period of time, Franken has also been avoiding publicly commenting about the controversy, instead relying on his surrogates to offer explanations.
Initially, it appeared that the back taxes were limited to one state (California) and as a result of a minor clerical error. Now, with Franken’s decision to pay back taxes in 17 states, it appears it is more widespread.
Franken told the Associated Press Tuesday that the unpaid taxes are a result of his accountant’s error, and all of the back taxes “are a repercussion of the same mistake.”
While the actual infraction may be far from a campaign killer, the campaign’s slow handling of the growing controversy suggests that the normally free-spoken Franken may not be fully prepared for the scrutiny that a statewide Senate campaign entails.
As Josh Green recounts in his recent profile of Franken in the Atlantic magazine:
“To project a more senatorial air, Franken is trying hard to watch what he says, and his staff has placed him in a kind of protective custody: journalists are not allowed to ride along, as is standard campaign practice, lest they overhear and report an undignified remark.”
And in an election cycle where the slowing economy is a major part of the Democratic message, it never is good to have a candidate who didn't pay back taxes -- even if it was an accidental oversight. There's little doubt that this will be a major part of the Republican messaging when the race starts heating up.
Franken is running against Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) in what will be one of the most closely-watched Senate races in the country. An automated Rasmussen poll showed Coleman expanding his lead against Franken to seven points earlier this month – his highest margin in the poll to date. But Coleman faces the challenge of running in a Democratic-leaning state where President Bush and the Republican brand remain highly unpopular.
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 11:56 AM
Obama Says Daughters Aren't Impressed by His Candidacy
Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:00 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama's young daughters are "not impressed" that their father is the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination.
"When I call them and they say, 'Daddy, what did you do today?' I said, 'Well, I spoke to 35,000 people.' It's like 'Boring.' It's not interesting," Obama told Rachael Ray in an interview broadcast Tuesday on her daytime talk show.
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Did you hear that Cornnuts? You're friggin boring man!!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 12:00 PM
Obama stands his ground.
Posted by Pansy
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Obama stands his ground alright~ against poor bitter people.
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 12:02 PM
Non-partisan experts (like R. Lasweski) agree that Gramps McBush has a plan that will do nothing to solve the Health Care Crisis. Non-partisan experts agree that the Little Bitty Homeschooler needs to take remedial reading classes. Read for content, dumbass.
Posted by Pansy again
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I don't need a non-partisan liberal elitist to tell me how to solve the health care crisis. I work with people to help them find affordable health care so I have hands on experience unlike your buddy Corn who uses 2nd sources. The real crisis is fat ass pansy idiots that are overloading our health care system. If you would just lay off the burritos we would have affordable health care
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 12:12 PM
Hey Pansy,
If you could just get your guys to pay their taxes and workers compensation insurance like Al Franken, we would be able to feed and insure the poor without new taxes.
$70 million from just one cornnut, just think how much unpaid taxes that is for every stingy corrnut out there.
I bet Corn is buddies with Franken, maybe Corn could get Franken to pay his share to the poor~
Just a thought!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 12:23 PM
Wowser, couldn't keep the comments on the thread to which they belong?
Politics of pander would be the topic?
Oh what is the use.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 12:37 PM
I wonder if the politicians are giving the people too little credit?
Even kids too young to vote are online and better informed than any point in history.
The information age is upon us and better informed people make better decisions. Sure there will be some that fall for the pander - others need the $25 now more than any politicians promises about a real solution.
Simple enough to assume most folks will want both so the pander will seem to work even though people also know we need better policy and long term solutions.
BHO is the only one thinking clearly about policy but he loses on the issue of sensitivity to the immediate needs.
Not to mention the M$M seems to ignore the fact that it is Bush in office and for this summer he will do as he pleases. I doubt he would take orders from McSame and I am sure he is not going to follow HRC or BHO's lead on anything.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:03 PM
Diplomacy, Peace, Regulation and Trade.
The next president needs to staff the State Department. Rice has been running on fumes. There are 3500 vacancies, no active negotiators and no one in charge. It is appalling that we put the most critical part of our foreign policy in the hands of Rice and Negroponte. Jimmy Carter did more in 5 days in the middle east than Bush has in 7.5 years. He actually met with the elected leadership of Palestine. On January 21st we need to meet with Iran and cooperatively work on a true peace plan for the region.
On the 21st of January we need to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iraqis will never have more than a chicken shit army. That's why Bush invaded in the first place. An International team led by the UN needs to replace our sorry asses on the ground to fill the void until things settle down. They will settle down the second we are out. We drew the Soviets into a war in Afghanistan they couldn't win, and now we are there. There are NATO, US, Canada fighting Al Qaida and the Taliban. There is no Afghan Army. Why? In August 2001 Bush was eating cake with the Taliban. Now he thinks Karzai should be in charge. Why? Because he ran an oil company?
The next president of the United States needs to appoint a new cabinet position, the Secretary of Waste Management to clean out every federal regulatory agency. The FDA is being run by Pharma. The EPA is being run by the smokestacks and chemical industries, the FAA is being run by the airlines, the FCC by the media, the SEC by Wall Street, etc. We need to Fox proof the henhouse. Wall Street must stop running the world by speculation.
Our trade policies need to be balanced to create US jobs. We are the number one economy for the reason that we used to have a trade policy that favored US and we need to maintain jobs. We have been reduced to the worlds consumer. GM can't figure out why sales are down, but they got rid of the buyers. They blame fuel prices for driving sales down but in 100 years have let the oil companies rule. They complain about the high cost of health care for their workforce and have done nothing to pressure the changes that we all need to survive.
Not an easy agenda, especially since the GOP will block every part of it with their agenda of Fear and Greed.
Posted by: geof01
| April 30, 2008 1:08 PM
Kind of comes back to the real question, what is Bunnypants going to do about high gas prices?
He has no plan. Blaming congress or talking about ANWR and drilling is not a plan nor sound policy.
Oil companies are making more - we are paying more - seems like a connection there.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:09 PM
Pansy needs to spike the Kool Aid cuz Obummer has hit a wall~ a white blue collar bitter wall! LOL
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North Carolina Polls: Democratic Primary
Huffington Post | April 3, 2008 05:51 PM
April 29: A SurveyUSA North Carolina poll shows a considerably closer race than the other polling firms. SurveyUSA also gave a smaller initial lead that anyone else in the race, but the tightening is now showing across the board:
Barack Obama: 49%
Hillary Clinton: 44%
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 1:12 PM
Jimmy Carter did more in 5 days in the middle east than Bush has in 7.5 years!
Absolutely.
Maybe even more than any president has. Too bad he is met with nothing but condemnation from this WH.
"A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends."
Baltasar Gracian
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:13 PM
Politics of pander would be the topic?
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Exactly,
Cornnuts are the political panders of Obama~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 1:13 PM
Seems that Obummer wouldn't agree with you Capt~
Carter is not as mauch of a tool as he is a fool~~~
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Obama critical of Carter-Hamas meeting
The candidate tells a group of Jewish leaders he disagrees with the former president's planned visit with Hamas officials.
From the Associated Press
April 17, 2008
PHILADELPHIA -- Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday criticized former President Carter for planning to meet with leaders of the Palestinian militant group Hamas as he tried to reassure Jewish voters that his candidacy isn't a threat to them or U.S. support for Israel.
The Democratic presidential candidate's comments to a group of Jewish leaders were his first on Carter's controversial meeting scheduled this week in Egypt.
Jimmy Carter's Hamas talks yield little progress
Carter meets Hamas chief over Israeli, U.S. objections
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, earlier in the week called on Obama to repudiate Carter's meeting.
Obama told the group he had a "fundamental disagreement" with Carter, who was rebuffed by Israeli leaders during a peace mission to the Middle East this week.
"We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction," he said. "We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 1:21 PM
Rice: Two-state possibility is narrowing
Condoleezza Rice suggested that the window for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is narrowing.
A state for Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip "represents compromise" for Palestinians, the U.S. secretary of state told the American Jewish Committee annual meeting Tuesday in Washington, "but it's a state and a future and a hope."
That hope might soon fade, she said.
(JTA)
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Here I was getting all optimistic with both sides talking 1967 borders and whatnot.
Her comments are at odds with reality. No surprise.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:29 PM
Fox to run McCain "100 years in Iraq" ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ul9iMgmOw
Gotta love it.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:39 PM
Wow. Talk about being a delicate flower, ... poor Little Bitty Homeschooler's head has imploded. So sorry to have gotten under his skin. I guess the facts are irritants in the Homeschoolzone. Zombie Chow overload. Get the waders folks. It's coming down in buckets. Giggles for everyone.
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 1:43 PM
A CONVERSATION DRIVING THE CONVERSATION: The subject is legislation modernizing the GI bill, and Sens. JOHN McCAIN and JIM WEBB talk to one another through Politico's David Rogers.
McCain, who has offered an alternative to a Webb bill that has broad bipartisan support: "There are fundamental differences. He creates a new bureaucracy and new rules. His bill offers the same benefits whether you stay three years or longer. We want to have a sliding scale to increase retention. I haven't been in Washington, but my staff there said that his has not been eager to negotiate."
Webb: "He's so full of it. I have personally talked to John three times. I made a personal call to [McCain aide] Mark Salter months ago asking that they look at this . . . . John McCain has been a longtime friend of mine, and I think if John sat down and examined what was in this bill, he would co-sponsor it."
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:50 PM
Webb would be a good choice for VP.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:53 PM
John M. Murtagh
Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008
During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.
In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.
I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.
For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.
Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.
As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”
Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.
At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”
Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.
John M. Murtagh is a practicing attorney, an adjunct professor of public policy at the Fordham University College of Liberal Studies, and a member of the city council in Yonkers, New York, where he resides with his wife and two sons.
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 1:55 PM
On the gas tax pander:
Obama threw out a great quote about the proposal yesterday;
"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."
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Nailed it, I hope he repeats it like a mantra . . .
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:56 PM
To get an extra taste of how bad it is, here's an excerpt from uber-Clinton supporter Krugman's analysis:
Anyway, John McCain has a really bad idea on gasoline, Hillary Clinton is emulating him (but with a twist that makes her plan pointless rather than evil), and Barack Obama, to his credit, says no....The Clinton twist is that she proposes paying for the revenue loss with an excess profits tax on oil companies. In one pocket, out the other. So it’s pointless, not evil. But it is pointless, and disappointing.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:58 PM
And here's Tom Friedman on it as well:
Hillary Clinton has decided to line up with John McCain in pushing to suspend the federal excise tax on gasoline, 18.4 cents a gallon, for this summer’s travel season. This is not an energy policy. This is money laundering: we borrow money from China and ship it to Saudi Arabia and take a little cut for ourselves as it goes through our gas tanks. What a way to build our country.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 1:59 PM
Wow. Talk about being a delicate flower,
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Now Pansy, you always get me worked up when you blather your ignorance! It just goes to show how my tax dollars failed that public education of yours~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:00 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A gas tax holiday proposed by U.S. presidential hopefuls John McCain and Hillary Clinton is viewed as a bad idea by many economists and has drawn unexpected support for Clinton rival Barack Obama, who also is opposed.
"Score one for Obama," wrote Greg Mankiw, a former chairman of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. "In light of the side effects associated with driving ... gasoline taxes should be higher than they are, not lower."
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 2:01 PM
"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."
*****
Nailed it, I hope he repeats it like a mantra . .
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Funny, that's what Rev Wright said about Obummer~~~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:02 PM
Flak for endorsing Obama
A little preview of what rough states Kentucky and West Virginia -- the working-class white Appalachian heartland -- are going to be for Obama comes in reports of friction two of his major endorsers are getting.
Rep. Ben Chandler endorsed him yesterday, which got the phones ringing.
Denis Fleming, Chandler's chief of staff, said that the congressman's offices in Lexington and Washington had received about 300 phone calls opposing his decision -- and only five in favor -- by about 2:30 p.m. yesterday.
Some of the calls, he said, were "racially insensitive," while other callers simply said that Chandler should have waited until after Kentucky's May 20 primary or should have endorsed Clinton.
(politico)
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This will help Obama. Nobody likes the haters.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 2:03 PM
Get the waders folks. It's coming down in buckets
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Dude, it's only because you fools give me soooo much good material!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:05 PM
Hey Pansy,
How are ya gunna spin it next tuesday when Obummer gets thumped by Hillary?
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:06 PM
U.S. Rep. Baron Hill endorsed Barack Obama for President
Just as Hillary Clinton seemed to be gaining momentum in Indiana in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy, U.S. Rep. Baron Hill endorsed Barack Obama for President today, citing his strength of character and ability to change the tone of Washington. "Some have advised me to be cautious, to wait and see which way the electoral winds may blow. I confess that I have listened to those voices and been tempted by their reasoning. But, the stakes are just too high. We cannot continue to pursue the same politics of personal destruction we have engaged in for a generation, some never-ending “groundhog day” endlessly playing out the cultural wars of forty years ago.
http://www.howeypolitics.com/2008/04/30/rep-baron-hill-endorses-obama/
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 2:12 PM
Someone "hearts" Hillary . . .
It's kind of cute.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 2:19 PM
It seems that the Republicans can't campaign hard enough for Hillary and against Obama.
Four years ago it was just Bill O'Reilly and The wall Street Journal dropping hints that Kerry would make a good candidate.
Now it's all out war. For all you Johnsons out there, this isn't blazing saddles, but you can bet the sheriff is near...
Posted by: geof01
| April 30, 2008 2:20 PM
Obama's Philadelphia Speech Looks Ridiculous Now
The National Review ^ | April 29, 2008 | Jim Geraghty
To refresh, here's what Obama said in that Philadelphia speech... the first time he addressed the issue of Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements. Here are the sections on Wright:
I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
Considering how Wright has compared the U.S. to al-Qaeda, calling him "an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic foreign policy" now sounds like comical understatement. Like calling William Ayers just a professor who lives in the neighborhood, I guess. Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way. After an hour at the press club, those snippets were not refuted but reinforced. Selective editing doesn't make Wright appear extreme; Wright makes Wright appear extreme.
But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.
When he reaches out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS, does Wright tell them the U.S. government created the virus that ails them?
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
The "not once have I heard him" line sounds particularly implausible today.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.
Obama has now disproven this. Also note how this statement echoes Wright's insistence that he is not being criticized, but that the entire black church is under attack.
I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
This looked ridiculous at the time, but I wonder how Obama feels about this maddening comparison now.
These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.
Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.
But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America - to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.
In light of events in the past 72 hours, a lot of this looks ridiculous now.
Can we dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue? Yes we can, no irony intended. Those of us who were shocked and appalled by those first clips of Wright's sermons were right, and Barack Obama, and all of those who accused us of judging Wright unfairly, were wrong.
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:20 PM
Someone "hearts" Hillary . . .
It's kind of cute.
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We both know she would make a better president than Obummer~ you just can't admit that you screwed up and jumped on the Obama bus before knowing what was in his closet.
It's OK to admit you were wrong~ I won't hold it against you, I promise. Unlike the Dems who promised a plan two years ago to bring down gas prices< I honor my promises.
Oh but the Dems were hard at work this week making watermelons a national holiday month- Yip eee!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:26 PM
U.S. Rep. Baron Hill endorsed Barack Obama for President
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The only endorsement that has mattered to date is Ed Rendell. All the rest have been meaningless!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:28 PM
Oh but the Dems were hard at work this week making watermelons a national holiday month- Yip eee!
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Hey Pansy, is this how you envisioned your tax dollars at work when you voted for the Dem lies?
We homeschoolers cal that~ SUCKER!!!!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 2:31 PM
The Rev Wright is Righteous!
Like the rascists that have attacked Obama would even be concerned with him if the McCain/Clinton campaign hadn't connected him to Barack.
The only thing I haven't liked about Obama is his renouncement of Rev. Wright. But as long as this town is run by Johnsons I can see why he had to do it.
If NPR and PBS repeated the Fox news mantra over and over again as if the two shared one common soul.
When I was 9 years old I was jumped by 6 black youth who wanted to teach me a lesson about the N word. The lesson they taught me was hatred and though I had never used the N word it seemed appropriate after my assault. I've grown past that and I wish my country would as well.
My daughter asked me once if I had a problem with having grandchildren of color. "Anything but redneck is fine with me"
And no Johnsons please.
Posted by: geof01
| April 30, 2008 2:58 PM
Wow. Talk about being a delicate flower, ... poor Little Bitty Homeschooler's head has imploded. So sorry to have gotten under his skin. I guess the facts are irritants in the Homeschoolzone. Zombie Chow overload. Get the waders folks. It's coming down in buckets. Giggles for everyone.
Posted by: Pandemoniac | April 30, 2008 1:43 PM
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LBH has been busy posting rants on this thread today. Lot's of angry screeds about Pansy this and Pansy that.
I thought it must be a slow day at the gas-n-sip, maybe he's going through a divorce, lost his shirt in the market but then I found your post and realized you must have pissed him off on the last thread. Good job.
LBH's piffle is transparently pejorative and motivated not to inform but to impugn character. How's that working for ya?
The joke is the guy posting the crap. LBH, do you think anybody is reading it except you?
Posted by: Neil
| April 30, 2008 3:04 PM
LBH's piffle is transparently pejorative and motivated not to inform but to impugn character. How's that working for ya?
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Working pretty damn well, got you to respond with another idiot reponse!!!!
Morons~~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 3:11 PM
The joke is the guy posting the crap. LBH, do you think anybody is reading it except you?
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Ya you are!
Are you really this dumb?
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 3:20 PM
It's OK, I Feel really bad for you Cornnuts! Putting all that emotion in supporting Obummer and buying into his change propaganda. You can't be blamed for being mindless puppets of a cunning politician.
Again, I feel really bad after all that hope only to be crushed by a picking a losing candidate that has given the election to the opponent.
Hey, thats what liberals do though. I mean we have Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004 and now Obummer in 2008. Should have stuck with Hillary, hell even Dennis Kookoo looks better than Obummer right now.
You always have Pelosi and that national watermelon month to fall back on if it gets too sad!
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 3:31 PM
I guess Pansy is as chicken as Obummer when it comes to debating~~
Posted by: LBH
| April 30, 2008 3:37 PM
It's hard to imagine anyone's still reading this comments section...It' gotten so rank and childish.
But anyway.... here goes...
I may be a Hillary supporter, but I CAN tell that there are obviously probably no two people on the planet more dissimilar than Mr. Obama and Rev. Wright.
Obama's moving response to his ridiculous predicament was as poignant and eloquent and intelligent as ever.
He clearly picked up the fierce hope and spirit of his pastor, but apparently not even one drop of the rancor, or crackpot paranoia...
**
I'm also disappointed in Hillary's gas tax gimmick...It's a pathetic joke...
But it's also a meaningless and symbolic gesture either way....It's just plain peanuts on both sides.... A cheap gimmick on one hand....and a tiny symbolic moral stand on the other....
Obama's courageous stand on the gas tax is a TINY crumb compared to his "no new taxes" sellout for those making $200-250K a year.
My problem with Obama is that selling utterly vague "hope" and "change" (and "personality," as charming and attractive as he is)...
...is really just another "free lunch."
It means imagining the Presidency as Captain Kirk's chair on the Enterprise.... Captain Obama will suddenly have buttons of great "magic" power...
What a crock...
If he runs on nothing, he'll HAVE nothing once he's elected.
Posted by: Diff
| April 30, 2008 3:45 PM
Indiana Rep. Baron Hill, a superdelegate, endorsed Obama Wednesday morning, citing his "strength of character and ability to change the tone of Washington."
"I am truly hopeful that his campaign and election will help unify our nation and ultimately change our politics," the Democrat said in a press release.
Superdelegate Iowa Rep. Bruce Braley also endorsed Obama for president Wednesday, an Obama aide told CNN.
Braley is a first-term Democratic congressman who represents an eastern district that hugs the Illinois border.
Also Wednesday, Superdelegate California Rep. Lois Capps, co-chair of the Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues and mother-in-law to Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton, endorsed Obama.
She joins fellow Iowan and Democratic National Committee member Richard Machacek, also a superdelegate, in supporting Obama this week. Superdelegate Kentucky Rep. Ben Chandler also announced he is backing Obama.
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All these mindless drones, not one ever making good critical decisions. They are dumb, it's a crock, sure must be. There is no other explanation.
Must be something in the water?
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 3:51 PM
(Video) FOX News Idiocy Soars To New Heights
Over the weekend FOX News' anti-intellectual haven known as "FOX & Friends" displayed a graphic of the Lincoln - Douglas debates. The only problem was that instead of showing Stephen A. Douglas they instead put up (side by side) Abraham Lincoln and abolitionist Frederick Douglass...
Amazingly, nobody seemed to notice the error because they were too busy laughing about their intern trying to find video of the event. It's ironic that they were unable to spot such a glaring historical error all the while joking about someone else's lack of historical knowledge.
Oh FOX, is there even a bar TO lower?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/105540/008/139/506337
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Faux, always good for a chuckle!
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 3:57 PM
Clinton had a big jump start among superdelegates, many of whom have ties to the Clintons and backed her candidacy early on. But most of the superdelegates taking sides recently have gone for Obama, who has won more state contests.
Obama trails Clinton by just 20 superdelegates, 243-263, cutting her lead in half in less than two months. This week, he picked up seven delegates to her four.
The superdelegate chase is a key piece of good news for Obama in what has been a bad week. The Illinois senator is coming off a big loss in Pennsylvania, steeped in controversy surrounding his outspoken former pastor while Clinton fares better against Republican likely nominee John McCain in the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll.
But the problems aren't stopping his ability to win support from superdelegates who are likely to cast the deciding votes in the Democratic race.
http://tinyurl.com/4xlfua
*****
If Barack is an empty suit Hillary is an even emptier pantsuit. McSame is just one buckle short of a straight jacket.
Barack is the nominee, like it or not. Now how to best move forward with that fact in mind.
The general election will be a challenge, we need all the support we can get.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 4:04 PM
Here's the full exchange between O'Reilly and Clinton, as released by FOX News:
O'Reilly: "Can you believe this Rev. Wright guy? Can you believe this guy?"
Clinton: "Well, I'm going to leave it up to voters to decide."
O'Reilly: "Well, what do you think as an American?"
Clinton: "Well, what I said when I was asked directly is that I would not have stayed in the church.
O'Reilly: "You're an American citizen, I'm an American citizen, He's an American citizen, Rev. Wright. What do you think when you hear a fellow American citizen say that kind of stuff about America."
Clinton: "Well, I take offense. I think it's offensive and outrageous. I'm going to express my opinion, others can express theirs. It is part of just, you know, an atmosphere we're in today."
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HRC is playin' it for all it's worth. What a class act, eh?
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 4:08 PM
Note to HRC:
"Clinton: "Well, I'm going to leave it up to voters to decide."
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Let the voters decide what you think of someone elses pastor?
How sincere, I just don't get why she doesn't have all the votes, all the states, all the SD's and all the money?
Can't people see the real Hillary?
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 4:12 PM
GOP Gives Clinton The Silent Treatment
Hillary Clinton’s decisive Pennsylvania primary win last week may have reinvigorated her campaign, but you wouldn’t know it from listening to the Republican party.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has purchased $500,000 in anti-Barack Obama ads for use in two upcoming special House elections. The Republican National Committee is flooding reporters with anti-Obama emails. Presumptive nominee John McCain and GOP surrogates have seized on new remarks by Obama’s controversial former pastor.
From top to bottom, from McCain down to the youthful campaign and party staffers who work nearly around the clock to get him elected, the working assumption seems to be that the Democratic contest is over and Obama has won.
Even when Clinton attacks McCain, President Bush or GOP policies, the response is either outright silence or snarky, dismissive ridicule about a failed campaign barely relevant enough to merit a response.
“With ads like that, it’s more likely the call at 3 a.m. is ‘Senator, you just lost another superdelegate,’” quipped McCain adviser Steve Schmidt earlier this month when Clinton aired a version of her “3 a.m.” ad attacking McCain on the economy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/30/politics/politico/main4057588.shtml
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That is what she gets for trying to be GOP lite. She can't get a D majority and the Reich-wingnuts loathe her.
If the GOP aren't taking her seriously why should anybody else (other than O'Reilly who we know is an idiot)
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 4:18 PM
Since 2004, identification with the Democratic Party has increased across all age groups. Four years ago, 47% of all voters identified with or leaned toward the Democratic Party, while 44% identified with or leaned toward the GOP. In surveys from October through March, Democrats held a 13-point party identification advantage (51% to 38%).
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/813/gen-dems
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I hope the next generation learns from some of our mistakes. We have served as a poor example - nearly across the board we have served as an example of what not to do.
We need a generation of hope. Hope for a better future. We all know the problems are too numerous to address all at once, and that whomsoever is shining the seat in the oval office their will be mistakes, missteps and some very boneheaded things. Such is life but we need someone that brings out the best in us as a country not one that thinks some of us are the best. We need a leader not a political mechanic. We need a blank slate, a newbie, an unknown because we all know too well the other option and it fails by all measure.
I hope the younger folks show up - it is really their country now as we fade into the sunset. A ten year old in 2000 is eighteen now. What an amazing possibility the future holds for them and us.
Obviously, we can never tell how a politician will lead or what they will do once in office. The best we can do is carefully consider which one seems best, which one lies the least, which one seems most sincere, discount any fealty by half, remove any prejudice and vote your conscience.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 5:47 PM
Who's behind the mysterious "robo-calls" that have spread misleading voter information and sown confusion and frustration among North Carolina residents over the last week?
http://tinyurl.com/5jdy28
The last few paragraphs holds the answer . . . .
Here's a hint - It's not BHO or McSame.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 6:06 PM
New ad on the Gas Tax gimmick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHt
Pretty good. He could have said moe but a pretty good ad.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 6:23 PM
Um, try this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHtFSi99shk
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 6:32 PM
Mr. David Corn, You owe James Pinkerton a bunch of money and us another funny diavlog with Mr. Pinkerton.
Posted by: RishiGajria
| April 30, 2008 8:19 PM
Funny? This is funny:
"Well, the State Department announced today the most dangerous place in the world is no longer the Mideast, it is now between Reverend Jeremiah Wright and a microphone. That is the most dangerous. You will get trampled!"
--Jay Leno
"Today, President Bush gave a news conference about the economy, but he stubbornly refused to say the word 'recession.' He would not say the word 'recession.' Instead, President Bush said our country is headed towards something with three syllables that rhymes with refression."
--Conan O'Brien
"Hillary Clinton announced today she'll appear on 'The O'Reilly Factor.' That should be a great confrontation. On one side, a loudmouthed bully who wants to tear apart the Democratic Party and on the other side, there's Bill O'Reilly."
--Craig Ferguson
"How about that John McCain?.... I like John McCain. He looks like the kind of guy that walks into Circuit City and says, 'Do you have typewriter ribbons?'"
--David Letterman
"Nation, I am sick and tired of all the jokes about John McCain's age.....there is so much more to the senator than his extreme age. He's also extremely superstitious. According to the Washington Times, John McCain always carries around a lucky penny, a lucky nickel, a lucky quarter, a lucky feather, a lucky compass and a lucky four leaf clover. The only unlucky thing around John McCain is the person behind him at airport security."
--Stephen Colbert
COLBERT: Back during his 2000 run, when McCain once misplaced his feather, there was a momentary panic in the campaign until his wife found it in one of his suits. At least he told her it was his lucky feather. He could have just been seeing some other tall blonde
ON SCREEN: photo of Cindy McCain next to Big Bird.
COLBERT: In addition, he won't take a salt shaker from a passer's hand. Also won't throw a hat on a bed. A lot of people don't know about that superstition, but it's an old saying from McCain's childhood: Throw a hat on the bed, woolly mammoth make you dead.
"There are nine months left in office for President Bush, and he's keeping very busy. Today, he held a press conference to talk about the economy. It was a solid press conference for the president, he pronounced the word stimulus correctly almost every single time. He wouldn't come out and say there was a recession, but he did come out and say that he really doesn't care that much anymore."
--Jimmy Kimmel
"John McCain is trying to get attention. People aren't really paying attention to him as much. But he's doing his best. He's out there. His slogan is 'Yes, I'm here.' Someone PLEASE pay attention to me."
--Conan O'Brien
"Today, John McCain campaigned across the state of Florida. He's in Florida. Yeah, McCain likes campaigning in Florida because everyone there calls him 'the Kid.' ... His charming youthfulness amuses them."
--Conan O'Brien
"Kind of a strange thing happened this weekend at a big event in Washington, DC. President Bush, I guess he got excited, so he picked up a baton and he started conducting the U.S. Marine Band. Yeah, unfortunately, the president got upset because the band didn't know the song, 'The Wheels on the Bus.' They go 'round and 'round, apparently."
--Conan O'Brien
"If you're following the campaign, you know John McCain is currently on his tour of forgotten places. He's touring what he calls forgotten places. Of course, when you're 71, the room you just walked INTO is a forgotten place, isn't it? 'Why did I come in here again? I was just here.'"
--Jay Leno
"Have you noticed, since oil prices went up, Dick Cheney hasn't had ONE heart attack?"
--Jay Leno
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 9:18 PM
Will Gramps and HRC pull a rabbit out of the hat with the Gas Tax gimmick? No.
Back when Obama was for the Gas Tax holiday, the tax in Illinois accounted for between 10 and 15 percent of the price of a gallon of gas (at the time not quite 2$ a gallon and prices weren't so volatile).
To achieve the same level of relief, the Gramps and HRC would have to figure out a way to get almost twice the 18 cents per gallon that the "holiday" would allow and prices would have to sit still for the entire period of the holiday. Neither of those two prerequisites would ever occur. Obama and the Economists are right. The savings on a tank of gas could barely pay for a Margarita (or the shot of Crown Royal that HRC delights in). This won't even get you a buzz much less a bit of relief against inflation.
This is why so many people who know about what makes the U.S. Economy (and the world economy) tick are endorsing Obama, less BS, better ideas.
Volcker endorses Obama.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/396qwv
Nobel Prize winning economists and another who is a former Republican who could no longer abide the stench of the Dead Man Walking party endorsed Obama as well.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/6cv4rw
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 9:48 PM
"The only endorsement that has mattered to date is Ed Rendell. All the rest have been meaningless!"
Posted by: LBH April 30, 2008 2:28 PM
Oy, that was classic. Got a good belly laugh out of that one.
More endorsements from experts for Obama:
Sec. of Labor Reich:
http://tinyurl.com/6ls5gk
Economists that switched from Edwards to Obama (like most Edwards backers who chose Obama over HRC):
http://tinyurl.com/6cv4rw
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:05 PM
"My problem with Obama is that selling utterly vague "hope" and "change" (and "personality," as charming and attractive as he is)...
...is really just another "free lunch."
IIf he runs on nothing, he'll HAVE nothing once he's elected."
Posted by: Diff April 30, 2008 3:45 PM
Economists are notorious for falling for vague and vacuous proposals, eh?
How 'bout techies? They just go googoo over "magical" policies that amount to nothing, right?
Uh, no.
"Senator Obama spoke at Google earlier this week, just after unveiling his technology plan. This was the Senator's second trip to Google, and it seemed to make quite the impression on the Googlers in attendance. You can read what the Director of Public Policy and Government Affairs for Google, Andrew McLaughlin's, had to say in his blog. Here's video of the "fireside chat", or you can also watch the entire speech on Mr. McLaughlin's blog."
Source: http://tinyurl.com/4zk6bl
"Interestingly, I also found this list of Technology Leaders who endorse the Senator. I've emphasized some of the ones I find the most interesting/important."
Stuart Benjamin, Professor of Law, Duke University
Robert Blackwell, Founder and CEO, Electronic Knowledge Interchange Consulting
Joseph Farrell, Professor of Economics, University of California, Berkeley; Chief Economist, Federal Communications Commission (1996-97); Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Economics (chief economist), Antitrust Division, U.S. Department of Justice (2000-02)
Lloyd Frink, President and Co-Founder, Zillow
Julius Genachowski, Co-Founder and Managing Director, Rock Creek Ventures; former Chief of Business Operations & General Counsel, IAC/InterActiveCorp; former Chief Counsel to FCC Chairman Reed Hundt
Don Gips, Executive Vice President, Corporate Development, Level 3 Communications; former Chief Domestic Policy Advisor to Vice President Gore
Rob Glaser, Founder and CEO, Real Networks
Mark Gorenberg, Managing Director, Hummer Winblad Venture Partners
Nick Hanauer, Partner, Second Avenue Partners; Founder, aQuantive
Adam Hanft, Founder and CEO, Hanft Unlimited
Reed Hundt, Former Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (1993-97)
Mitch Kapor, President, Kapor Enterprises; Founder, Lotus Development Corp.
Jed Katz, Managing Director, DFJ Gotham Ventures
Michael Katz, Professor, NYU and UC Berkeley; former Chief Economist, FCC; former Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Economics (chief economist), Antitrust Division, U.S. Department of Justice
William Kennard, Former Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (1997-2001)
Deborah Lathen, President, Lathen Consulting; former Chief, Cable Bureau, FCC
Steve Lerner, Managing Partner, Blue Hill Group
Lawrence Lessig, Professor of Law, Stanford University
Blair Levin, Managing Director, Stifel Nicholas; former Chief of Staff, FCC
Andrew McLaughlin, Director, Global Public Policy and Government Affairs, Google
Ted Meisel, Elevation Partners
Jon Miller, Former Chairman and CEO, American Online, Inc.
Glenn Neland, Retired Senior Vice President, Dell
Robert Nelsen, Managing Director and Co-Founder, ARCH Venture Partners
Craig Newmark, Founder, Craigslist
Beth Noveck, Professor of Law, New York Law School
Chamath Palihapitiya, Executive Vice President, Product and Operations, Facebook
Deven Parekh, Partner, Insight Venture Partners
Sunil Paul, Founding Partner, Spring Ventures; Co-Founder, Brightmail
John Place, Retired General Counsel, Yahoo!, Inc.
Jeff Pulver, Founder, pulver.com
Arti Rai, Professor of Law, Duke University
John Roos, CEO, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati
Alec Ross, Senior Vice President, One Economy
Kim Scott, AdSense Director of Online Sales and Operations, Google
Carl Shapiro, Professor of Business Strategy, UC Berkeley; Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Economics (chief economist), Antitrust Division, U.S. Department of Justice (1995-96)
Howard Shelanski, Professor of Law, UC Berkeley; former Chief Economist, FCC
Steven Spinner, Executive, Danoo
Phil Weiser, Professor of Law and Telecommunications, University of Colorado
Kevin Werbach, Asst. Professor of Legal Studies and Business Ethics, The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Tom Wheeler, Managing Director, Core Capital Partners
Tim Wu, Professor of Law, Columbia University
Ed Zander, CEO, Motorola
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:09 PM
I must admit that there isn't anything particularly surprising or interesting about an HRC supporter who echoes Dingbat (DMW) memes about Obama's lack of specificity on issues and bemoans his "flimsy" proposals when they (Obama's position papers) are found all over the net endorsed by experts from almost every field. What I DO find particularly surprising and interesting is finding someone who is seemingly literate enough to pore over available documents on the internets and yet who appears stunningly ignorant of the most obvious facts.
I got a kick out of the need to invoke the "magic" imagery, following in the steps of Rush's "Barack the Magic Negro." Accidental? Coincidental? It always works out that way, eh? Nudge. Nudge.
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:26 PM
Wink, wink - say no more . . .
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 10:30 PM
At a blog called economists for Obama, the story of Clinton treasury official Brad DeLong endorsing Obama.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/4rg7h9
Why? As Fallows notes, he just makes more sense:
For the record: stupidest moment in policy ever?
30 Apr 2008 09:00 am
Usually I see no reason to chime in on an issue that many other people have discussed. But, perhaps because I've just come back to China, I feel obliged to register a view for the record about destructive nuttiness in my homeland:
The pandering and ignorance-across-party-lines represented by the John McCain-Hillary Clinton united front for a temporary reduction in the gasoline tax should make Americans hold their heads in their hands and moan. No one who has thought about this issue thinks that it will actually reduce prices or -- more important -- help the the people disproportionately hurt by $100+/barrel oil and $4 gasoline. And to the extent it has any effect on America's long-term approach to energy policy, transportation, oil dependence, and climate change, the effect will be perverse.
I can imagine that John McCain, who boasts about his sketchy command of economics, might consider this a good idea. But the master of policy, Hillary Clinton??
Please. This is embarrassing. It makes me long for the good old days of debating about flag pins on the lapel. And I wonder: has there been bipartisan agreement to stupider effect in, say, the last fifty years? The US Senate's 88-2 vote in favor of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in 1964 doesn't count: they didn't know what lay ahead. Hillary Clinton, at least, knows why what she is saying is wrong. I will pay for a year's subscription to the Atlantic for anyone who can come up with a more foolishly destructive bipartisan example.
Update: The 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force vote that paved the way for war in Iraq doesn't count either. That vote reflected terrible judgment, in my view, but not outright stupidity or, as with the current gas-tax charade, certain foreknowledge that the policy being recommended would do no good.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/4uor4n
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:35 PM
Clinton playing by her own set of rules
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama in the popular vote, and this is her path to victory.
She will ultimately win the Democratic nomination by convincing the superdelegates that her popular vote lead makes it legitimate for them to support her. It gives them the cover they need to deny Obama a nomination that he otherwise would have won.
What’s wrong with this picture?
First, Clinton does not lead Obama in the popular vote. It is a fantasy.
Second, the people she most needs to convince that this fantasy is true are the people least likely to believe it.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9994.html
*****
Onward to the general - then the first black president.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 10:36 PM
Hey, I just noticed that (with the tabbed browsing I do) the title on the CornBlog says "Will the Pande."
As much joy as the Homeschooler gets calling me Pansy and Pando and whatever else floats his boat, I enjoyed seeing "The Pande" up there.
Capt., I thought about doing the wink wink; but you know how my fans come undone with these over-the-top gestures. I'm sure Little Bitty Homeschooler's feeling twitterpated over the prospect of seeing me wink his way. I'm tempted to do with LBH the way Hajji used to do with the Tims (kisses).
Yeah,
--The Pande
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:42 PM
Don't think I didn't notice the "Will the Pande" - I assumed that was part of the angst from the other side.
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 10:51 PM
For Old School CornBlog reader Chris:
The Spurs didn't get the win over the Suns the right way. Lots of bailout calls. I was hoping that the Suns would get past the Spurs and Hornets and face Kobe and the Lakers. The pundits all picked the Suns. They didn't take the refs into account.
http://tinyurl.com/47xzro
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 10:52 PM
Ah, the good ol' days when LBH used to fart red KoolAid whenever the enema tube came loose, just cause I called the DMW party the "Grand Ol (lynching) Party." Why don't they have a single significant African American Rep that they can call their own nationally? The whole Wright issue hilights their innermost racist tendencies. A bright shining example of their racism? The DMW's racist candidates:
Stupid, stupid burning brightly, or how not to win an election
Category: Anti-Semitism • History • Politics
"Ed happened to beat me to this one, which I saw on Orcinus. If you want a lesson on what not to do to get elected, here it is, courtesy of Tony Zirkle, candidate for the Republican nomination to run for a seat in his House district in northwest Indiana:
* Don't show up at a white supremacist commemoration of Hitler's birthday.
* Don't give a speech about white women being taken into sexual slavery in Israel to a white supremacist commemoration of Hitler's birthday while standing under a large portrait of Adolf Hitler.
* Don't talk about sexually transmitted diseases supposedly being encouraged by pornography (or, as Zirkle likes to call it, the "porn dragon") from Jewish bookstores as "genocide" against the white race to a bunch of white power rangers wearing T shirts with portraits of Hitler on the back at a white supremacist commemoration of Hitler's birthday.
Just sayin', you know.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/5tspg9
Now there's a candidate that LBH can get behind. He stands for everything Bush, Cheney, Tancredo, and Gramps hold dear.
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 11:00 PM
More nuggets from Sullivan:
Buyer's Remorse In New Jersey
30 Apr 2008 11:42 am
"The state's Democrats, having voted for Clinton in the primary, now strongly favor Obama in a poll:"
" A new Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll shows Barack Obama is more popular than Hillary Clinton in New Jersey, even though Clinton beat Obama by ten percentage points in the state’s February 5 Democratic primary. Obama has a 58%-27% favorable rating, while Clinton is at 46%-43%. And by a 45%-38% margin, more New Jersey and Democrat-leaning independents say that would rather see Obama capture the Democratic presidential nomination."
"The truth about Clinton remains: massive negatives, little appeal to Independents, and several looming scandals involving Bill."
Source: http://tinyurl.com/5uyvdx
Going negative and running Wright on a loop has boomeranged on HRC and Gramps. And the Dingbats think they have a chance in NJ? Funny stuff.
Combine that with all the Republicans running from Mr. 20% and the DMW in record numbers. HRC or Obama walk all over Gramps when the time comes.
Some Reds are immune to the Zombie Chow:
read the story: http://tinyurl.com/5pvaw9
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 11:07 PM
Pande,
I'll be kissin' babies, shakin' hands and knockin' on doors in the South Asheville/Arden/Flat Rock, NC neighborhoods this weekend.
Primary #5, so far. I got asked to go to MO, but I'm thinkin' after Kentucky (homestate) I might be able to hang up my "pavement pounding boots" until the "General".
Regardless, it will be interesting to see if Obama can put SC in play for Dems in November. How long has it been since THAT happened?
LBJ over Goldwater, 1964, the year of my birth in Columbia, SC... Coincidence?
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| April 30, 2008 11:08 PM
The best snark I've read in a LOOOONG time:
Lessons Learned
by Hunter
Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:10:13 AM PDT
Things I have learned during this campaign season:
In a race that includes a former First Lady of the United States and a multimillionaire Republican senator rumored to share up to eight residences with his wife, the black guy from Chicago is unforgivably elitist.
Racism in America is caused primarily by black Chicago preachers.
The guy who keeps getting confused over the relationship between Iraq, Iran, and al Qaeda is the foreign policy expert.
The guy who goes to campaign stops on his wife's private jet aircraft is the most down-to-earth.
The guy who changed his stance on tax cuts, Roe v. Wade, immigration, gun control, the confederate flag, torture, public financing, and his own anti-earmark rhetoric is the "straight talker".
==+==
And it gets funnier from there:
source: http://tinyurl.com/5j9j9j
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| April 30, 2008 11:13 PM
64?
You are younger than my better half.
It must be your great wisdom and my unending respect that makes me call you papa!
HA!
Posted by: capt
| April 30, 2008 11:14 PM
Lessons Learned
by Hunter
Excellent! Made my day.
Posted by: capt
| May 1, 2008 12:41 AM
Corn speculated: Her unsaid message: While Obama is dealing with all that black stuff, I'm fighting for you and am willing to kick the oil company in the teeth to save you a couple of bucks a week.
You are the worst sort of commentator, a dishonest one. How dare you assume this. There is NO racial code here. My God I do NOT know how you can look at yourself in the mirror.
Posted by: Patsi
| May 1, 2008 9:30 AM
Capt,
While the white hair and the aged look might SUGGEST wisdom...
The grandkids and the animals call me "Poppi", but at work I answer to 'yer Highness".
"...There is NO racial code here..."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!A!!
uhm...I mean, riiiiight.
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Posted by: Hajji
| May 1, 2008 9:44 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/hillary-clinton.html
Hillary Clinton Super-D/Bill Clinton DNC chair Switches to Obama
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May 01, 2008 7:19 AM
Joe Andrew was appointed to chair the Democratic National Committee in 1999, during the presidency of Bill Clinton.
The youngest DNC chair ever endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential bid last year, saying, "Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to compete and win across this country. I have seen up close her intellect, character, and fortitude, and I am convinced she is the best prepared to handle these challenging times. Her 35-year record fighting for America's families is as impressive as she is, and demonstrates why she will be a great President of the United States."
"Joe was a strong leader who put the Democratic Party on the right path,” Clinton said. "I'm honored to have his support."
Not so fast, senator.
Today Andrew, former chair of the Indiana Democratic Party, will announce he's switching to Sen. Barack Obama's camp, the AP reports.
In an Indianapolis press conference he will so in order to urge his "fellow superdelegates across the nation to heal the rift in our party and unite behind Barack Obama," as he writes in a letter he's sending to superdelegates.
Andrew writes he's switching because "a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists John McCain....While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us. John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives."
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...the exodus continues...
"....I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man..."
-MLK...40 years ago...
If not now, then WHEN? If not Obama, then WHO?
Posted by: Hajji
| May 1, 2008 9:59 AM
Please check out "The Truth vs Barack Obama"
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317
I saw this today, and HAD to share it with everyone. It is just a brilliantly researched and written list of inconsistencies with several of Obama's stories. I think it should be done for ALL three candidates, but I guess this is a good way to start at finally looking at the candidates with some honesty.
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317
Posted by: elsylee
| May 1, 2008 12:38 PM
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