I'm traveling today, so no new postings. But there's this update to the below item: I called McCain communications director Jill Hazelbaker again on Friday morning--for the third day in a row--and was told she was unavailable. So as of yet no comment from the McCain camp on Parsley's call for the destruction of Islam.
Yesterday, I posted a piece at MotherJones.com that disclosed that a megachurch pastor whom John McCain has hailed as a "spiritual guide" has called for the destruction of the "false religion" of Islam. This fundamentalist televangelist, Rod Parsley, who is an important political ally of McCain in the all-important state of Ohio, means this quite literally. In a 2005 book, he writes that there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization" and notes, "The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed."
Being a responsible reporter, I called both Parsley and the McCain campaign's communications director, Jill Hazelbaker, before posting the story. I had to leave a message for Parsley and didn't hear back from him. And I never got through to Hazelbaker, but I spoke to another communications aide at the campaign. I explained why I was calling: I was about to publish an article noting that a prominent McCain supporter, with whom McCain had campaigned in Ohio last month, advocates a holy war with the aim of eradicating Islam. "Oh," she said. Can I read you some of Parsley's quotes? I asked. Go ahead, she said reluctantly. I got through three sentences, and she said, "That's enough."
"There's a lot more," I told her. I hadn't gotten to the portions where Parsley calls Allah a "demon." I don't need any more, she said, and she asked, "Can you give me a few minutes to get a response?" Sure, I replied. She promised to call me within 15 to 20 minutes.
Twenty minutes went by. Nothing. I called after half an hour passed. This staffer, I was told, could not be reached. Another fifteen minutes. Nothing. I called again. Once more, I was told that this staffer could not come to the telephone. Hazelbaker, too, was unavailable. Yet another fifteen minutes--and another call from me to the McCain press office. I was now informed that the staffer who had promised a response was in a meeting. Would this meeting be over soon? I asked. We don't know, said the person on the phone. Can I get a message to her now? No, she's in a meeting. Can you find out if this meeting will last hours or minutes? No, I cannot. Is Jill Hazelbaker available? No.
I got the picture. Stonewall. No straight talk.
I posted the article and never heard from the McCain campaign. When I called this morning and asked for Hazelbaker, I was told she was "not available" and the person handling the phone in her office hung up before I could leave my cell number.
Nothing personal, I know. But shouldn't McCain have to answer questions about his endorsement of a fundamentalist who calls for holy war? Will McCain reject and denounce Parsley?
I am not on the campaign trail with McCain. If I were, I'd bird-dog him on this. But the reporters covering him ought to press him to respond. Imagine what the headlines would be if Obama campaigned with and praised a minister who called for destroying Judaism? How long could Obama go without having to deal with that?
McCain, what say you?
Comments
"I'd bird-dog him on this. But the reporters covering him ought to press him to respond."
I think we need you here more. I hope someone "covering him" will listen and press for an answer.
Religious zealots are all nuts if you ask me.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 11:43 AM
Nope, I'm a minority in the majority. More people want Obama than either Gramps McBush or HRC.
posted by Pande
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So how do you explain Hillary winning the popular vote in your home state of TX that also brought us George Bush. Thanks to your preacher hating Haggee.
Since you won't denounce your praecher Haggee for his Gay hating Catholic bashing views then I assume you agree with him?
Since Capt won't denounce you for your gay hating, catholic bashing support of Haggee then I assume he agrees with you.
Nice!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
OBAMA TALKS SPITZER, RACE, FL-MI
[…]
On race becoming an issue in the Clinton-Obama contest: "As I said yesterday, I do think it's unfortunate. It's not entirely unexpected. You know, as I've said before, race and gender issues are very powerful in our society. They've been an organizing principle of our politics since the earliest days of our country. And so it would be naïve for me to think that we could just brush them aside. And I know that sometimes Sen. Clinton and others accuse me of being naïve, but I'm not naïve enough to think that we're going to solve the country's racial problems, and some of these other divisions in the span of six months or a year. What I do think is that our campaign has pointed towards the future, an era where these distinctions are less prominent in our politics."
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The guy is rock solid. I think that is why he is so popular.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 12:19 PM
He can find no other criticism to repeat of Obama except Rezko, Rezko, Rezko
posted by Pande
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Oh, I have a long list my friend
Flip flopper on Nafta~
Flip Flopper on public funds in Gen.~
Flip Flopper on Iraq~
Flip Flopper on his 07 tax returns~
Best friend is a slum lord who is no community worker!
Like GW, snorted coke~
Pussed out by not supporting his foriegn policy adviser~
Belongs to a racist church~
No experience-none!
Never been to any country outside the US~
Using left over Clinton and Carter aides for advise-Egh!
Never served in the military-not qualified to be Commander in Chief-same as Bubba~
Raising 55 million in one month only to give it to Corporatons like GE to buy the election. Just think of all the poor people he could feedc with that money. Maybe that poor kid that needed more money from the Schip program could get a handout from Obama?
The good news is that the economy must be great if Cornnuts can give $100 each for $55 million in one month.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:22 PM
On Spitzer: "Obviously, it’s a tragedy. It’s heartbreaking for the family, but I suspect that it would not have been possible to function as governor, that what he said is right, that he needs to spend time healing himself and his family." Asked in a follow-up question whether Spitzer should be prosecuted, he replied: "You know, I won't offer an opinion on that."
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Obama's non answer of a corrupt Democrat is as bad as Pandes non answer of Haggee when confronted.
Pande why do you go to a gay hating conservative mega church and give 10% of your income to this guy and then come here and pretend to be a liberal. I'm beginning to think you're a closet liberal dude!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:27 PM
This really hurts me to break the good news of Iraq to you trolls ~ get out the prozac!
Support for war effort highest since 2006
By: David Paul Kuhn
Mar 12, 2008 07:43 PM EST
The Politico
As the war nears its fifth year, the steady upturn in the public mood stands to alter the dynamics of races up and down the ballot.
American public support for the military effort in Iraq has reached a high point unseen since the summer of 2006, a development that promises to reshape the political landscape.
According to late February polling conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, 53 percent of Americans — a slim majority — now believe “the U.S. will ultimately succeed in achieving its goals” in Iraq. That figure is up from 42 percent in September 2007.
The percentage of those who believe the war in Iraq is going “very well” or “fairly well” is also up, from 30 percent in February 2007 to 48 percent today.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:33 PM
"So how do you explain Hillary winning the popular vote in your home state of TX that also brought us George Bush."
Posted by: LBH | March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
There are more Whites that Hispanics in Texas. That's why they call us a "minority." But Like I said, the GOP is soooo Dead Man Walking that holdouts like you are the only thing keeping it and Mr. 20% afloat. With all the Republicans and Independents crossing over to vote for Obama, you are a tiny fraction of a minority that insists that no matter how unpopular a political leader is and how idiotic his policies are, you must support him at all costs. There's nothing wrong with partisan support until it starts to hurt the country. You and the few GOP deadenders care more about your party than your country. That is why we are in the state we're in, counting the days till Obama takes office.
"Since you won't denounce your praecher Haggee for his Gay hating Catholic bashing views then I assume you agree with him?"
Posted by: LBH | March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
If your reading skillz weren't so pathetic, you'd already know what I think about Hagee and some of his teachings (and the teachings of all preachers for that matter).
"Since Capt won't denounce you for your gay hating, catholic bashing support of Haggee then I assume he agrees with you."
Posted by: LBH | March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
Since you make it a habit of assuming the most assinine things (like the fact that Gramps McBush DIDN'T cheat on his first wife), you will always assume the most idiotic things imaginable. You seem to reflexively embrace every idiotic talking point that comes down the pike. Don't blame your idiocy on Capt or me.
"Nice!"
Posted by: LBH | March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
Funny. Sorta. Closer to Sad. But I wouldn't call your ignorance "nice."
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 12:34 PM
New Acting CentCom Commander Opposed Surge, Is A ‘Fan Of Transition’ In Iraq
That's why he is jus the "acting" commander, Bush needs a "yes man" in that slot pronto!
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 12:39 PM
We are in trouble...
The population of this country is 300 million.
160 million are retired.
That leaves 140 million to do the work.
There are 85 million in school.
Which leaves 55 million to do the work.
Of this there are 35 million employed by the federal government.
Leaving 15 million to do the work.
2.8 million are in the armed forces preoccupied with killing Osama
Bin-Laden.
Which leaves 12.2 million to do the work.
Take from that total the 10.8 million people who work for state and city
Governments.. And that leaves 1.4 million to do the work.
At any given time there are 188,000 people in hospitals.
Leaving 1,212,000 to do the work.
Now, there are 1,211,998 people in prisons.
That leaves just two people to do the work.
You and me.
And there you are,
Sitting on your ass,
At your computer, reading jokes.
Nice. Real nice
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:49 PM
There are more Whites that Hispanics in Texas. That's why they call us a "minority."
posted by Pande
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Which is why Obama can't win!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:51 PM
With all the Republicans and Independents crossing over to vote for Obama,
Pande
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Wrong again,
Exit polls showed that cross over Republicans voted for Hillary in TX not Obama-
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:52 PM
"Since Capt won't denounce you for your gay hating, catholic bashing support of Haggee then I assume he agrees with you."
Posted by: LBH | March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
~~~
Still didn't hear you denounce him!
I'll be waiting as long as it takes you silly little closet liberal~
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:54 PM
Since you make it a habit of assuming the most assinine things (like the fact that Gramps McBush DIDN'T cheat on his first wife),
~~~
Jeeesh,
With you obsessing abot MCCains divorce twenty years ago and Obama and Hillary starting a race war, I'm starting to feel pretty good about McCains chances~
Hey Pande,
You should Have your preacher Haggee give Capt a sermon on the Rapture. Might give him some hope for the future instead of all that doom and gloom. He he
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 12:58 PM
If your reading skillz weren't so pathetic, you'd already know what I think about Hagee and some of his teachings
posted by Pande
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What you think is irrelevant, denounce him and you might gain some crediblity.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:01 PM
When will Obama denounce his pastor?
Obama Spiritual Mentor: God Damn America
ABCNews ^
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America". The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism." In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev....
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:09 PM
Wow,
I had no idea Pande was running for office?
Denounce, reject, repudiate, quickly - you will lose the troll segment based on exit polling.
lololololololo
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 1:16 PM
Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Denounce, reject, repudiate, quickly - you will lose the troll segment based on exit polling.
~~~~
You're the one who brought John Haggee here to Cornnut land, now you defend him cuz Pande is a Haggee klansman?
Just shows both you trolls hypocrisy~~
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:49 PM
Video of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor and mentor to Barack Obama, has been posted. The Reverend defends his most famous constituent and attacks Hillary Clinton, saying, "Hillary ain't never been called a n****r."
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Just keeps getting better~ And all Pande wants to talk about is McCains divorce twenty years ago-Ha ha ha!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:50 PM
Huffington Post~
Poll: Hillary Lead Holds, Obama Does Better In General: There's an interesting twist in the latest Strategic Vision poll. Sen. Clinton maintains her dominant lead against Sen. Obama, but Sen. Obama does better in a matchup against John McCain than does Hillary (though McCain beats both Democrats):
Hillary Clinton: 56%
Barack Obama: 38%
John McCain: 48%
Hillary Clinton: 42%
John McCain: 47%
Barack Obama: 44%
Obama Camp Downplays: The Obama camp is trying to avoid letting Pennsylvania become the focal point of the next six weeks. From their latest memo:
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 1:55 PM
Sixty percent want U.S. out of Iraq:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-12-warpoll_N.htm
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 2:39 PM
DB's USA Today poll
We will win Invasion wrong 40%,
U.S. obliged to stay in Iraq 20%
It makes no difference10%
Get out now 17%
The profoundly pessimistic 12%
~~
only 17% want out now, not 60%
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 3:19 PM
Watching LBH respond to Pande is like watching a person drowning.
I want to throw him a buoy but I know it won't make any difference. He is sunk, in his case, by the weight of his own argument or rather a facsimile of an argument with the form but without substance. It reminds me of the reaction I get when I show the dog raw hamburger, it drools. There's not much thinking involved.
Posted by: Neil
| March 13, 2008 4:27 PM
Neil --- Yeh, that's what happens when you have lead for brains...
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 4:56 PM
Folks,
How about this blanket statement for all the candidates:
"We all have nutcases backing us. In a country of 300 million, those nutcases can be legion. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to individually repudiate each one of them. Please look to what we espouse and believe, not to what we don't. Further, please do not assume that someone backing us also means the reciprocal."
Posted by: Tomcantu
| March 13, 2008 6:38 PM
But it is necessary for BHO to repudiate Farrakhan?
Sounds fair?
McSame shouldn't be held to the McSame standard?
Is that right?
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 6:57 PM
Heck, McSame was against these guys before he wanted their voting block, I guess it isn't fair to point that out either?
Talk about double standards.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 6:58 PM
McCain and the Godless Constitution
Recently John McCain--whose presidential campaign is in the sewer--declared that "the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation." What an ignoramus! McCain should go back to school and take Civics 1, where he might learn that the United States Constitution was called "the godless constitution," by its opponents, because it was the first constitution in history not to include references to God or some dominant religion. The Constitution mentions religion only once, in prohibiting any religious test for holding office under the United States.
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Insane religiosity is a fair subject when the candidate has not just pursued insane people for support but exposed insane ideas as his own beliefs?
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 7:09 PM
Duhhh, what's a reciprocal?
:-)
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 7:10 PM
"Imagine what the headlines would be if Obama campaigned with and praised a minister who called for destroying Judaism? How long could Obama go without having to deal with that?"
Seems a very fair question.
Asked and answered,
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 7:18 PM
multiplicative inverse?
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 7:35 PM
Some hateful, radical ministers -- white evangelicals -- are acceptable
One of this week's hysterical press scandals was that Minister Louis Farrakhan praised Barack Obama's candidacy even though Obama had previously denounced numerous Farrakhan remarks and the Obama campaign did nothing to seek out the Farrakhan praise. Nonetheless, Tim Russert demanded that Obama jump through multiple hoops to prove that he has no connection to -- and, in fact, "rejects" -- the ideas espoused by Farrakhan deemed to be radical and hateful.
Yesterday, though, the equally fringe, radical and hateful (at least) Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain. Did McCain have to jump through the same hoops which Russert and others set up for Obama and "denounce" Hagee's extremism and "reject" his support? No; quite the opposite. McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee's more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."
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I guess if the crazies are considered Christian they should be given a pass.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 7:44 PM
CHRISTIANS UNITED FOR ISRAEL
Membership Update
January 29, 2007
Newsflash!
This morning I had an extended breakfast with Senator John McCain of Arizona. Our topic of discussion was Israel and his candidacy for the Presidency of the United States of America.
Senator McCain's comments concerning Israel are on target! He gets it! While I do not want to put the specifics of our conversation in this update I am glad to report to our leadership and supporters that John McCain is solidly pro-Israel.
We discussed his positions on other matters that I will share with you when I speak with you in person. This newsflash goes to the ends of the earth and I don't want to read it in the media tomorrow.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 7:58 PM
Getting ready for more Resource Wars, I see...
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
Holy War
As the Middle East burns, GOP pols, neocon pundits, and a powerful Christian right leader all sing the same (crazy) tune.
[...]
The Jerusalem Post reported this week that remarks by Newt Gingrich and John McCain that the Israel-Lebanon violence marks the beginning of World War III have their roots in Hagee's book. Knesset member Benny Elon told the Post that Gingrich and McCain “said this because they think it will lead to Iran getting involved, which they believe will set off World War III,'” adding that their “comments originated with American evangelist John Hagee.” As Hagee and his minions from CUFI descend on Washington this week to lobby Congress, armed with Hagee talking points claiming that Iran will have a nuclear weapon in six months, could it be a coincidence?
Gingrich first called the escalating conflict “World War III” on the Sunday talk shows, and followed up with a column in which he argued that the phrase “global war on terror” is insufficient to capture the epic nature of the conflict that “pits civilization and the rule of law against the dictatorships of Iran and Syria and the terrorist groups of Hezbollah and Hamas that they support.” When asked about Gingrich's “World War III” comments on Larry King Live Sunday night, McCain singled out Iran as the provocateur in the conflict, adding that “I think that it's very clear that Iran is becoming more and more belligerent and needs to be reigned in.”
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Throw in a couple of refrains from his “Bomb Iran” song and it becomes clear why McSame won't reject the nutcases. He wants to be the head-nutcase.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 8:03 PM
But it is necessary for BHO to repudiate Farrakhan?
Sounds fair?
McSame shouldn't be held to the McSame standard?
Is that right?
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You fools are so clueless~~
It was Hillary ( A DEMOCRAT for those with a low IQ)
that made Obama repudiate Farakan, McCain had nothing to do with it~~ Eghhhh!
I personally could care less if Obama goes to a racist church that honors a jew hater just like I could care less if Pande goes to worship at the alter of a gay hater. I think McCain should denounce Pandes preacher.
I'm just here to point out the cornnut hypocrisy which is all too easy.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:29 PM
Rodham is a DINO.
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 8:31 PM
Heck, McSame was against these guys before he wanted their voting block, I guess it isn't fair to point that out either?
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Why can't you eggheads stick to issues like Obama is trying to do~ Obama should repudiate all Cornnuts for your idiotic personal attacks when you live in a glass house, or in Pandes case a glass closet!
Yikes~~~
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:32 PM
Rodham is a DINO.
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You guys created her, just like Pande brought us Bush for the big state of TX.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:34 PM
Watching LBH respond to Pande is like watching a person drowning.
~~
Jeesh, Neil comes out of hiding and this is the most intelligent thing he could say?
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:37 PM
LBH blithered You guys created her ...
LBH is really confused. Mr. & Mrs. Rodman created her.
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 8:38 PM
like watching a person drowning
Nope, funny in a macaber sort of way...
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 13, 2008 8:39 PM
The only thing McSame here is:
Capts continuous whining about Pandes preacher endorsing McCain.
Pandes continuous whining of McCains divorce twenty years ago.
Neils continuous butt kissing of Pande cuz he lacks what Pande has, which isn't much.
DB continuous bashing of me, even though I cut him the most slack~ what can I say, I like you man!
I repudiate you for Obama~
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:47 PM
like watching a person drowning
Nope, funny in a macaber sort of way...
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So you're into water boarding for kicks are ya?
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:48 PM
LBH blithered You guys created her ...
LBH is really confused. Mr. & Mrs. Rodman created her.
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No, Mr & Mrs Rodman concieved her~ you trolls created her by giving Bubba the white house for 8 years and encouraging her by giving her money and power beyond your control. Now you must pay for your sins. If you confess to Pandes preacher you might get lucky and be raptured with the Pande clan before queen Hillary brings us Armegedon.
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:53 PM
like watching a person drowning
Nope, funny in a macaber sort of way...
~~~~
So you're into water boarding for kicks are ya?
~~~
I knew you were for Torture, you just want to save it for the bedroom~~ kinky!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:54 PM
BHO repudiated Farrakhan before he was asked to do so in a debate by Tim Russert.
John McSame has not been asked to do so but also has not done so.
Those pesky facts.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 8:56 PM
You trolls have been fun today but now I must leave you all now so you can get together with Pande and converse on something really witty to come back with. This is when Neil really gets excited.
Have fun!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:57 PM
BHO repudiated Farrakhan before he was asked to do so in a debate by Tim Russert.
John McSame has not been asked to do so but also has not done so.
Those pesky facts.
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God who cares already, I'm bored~~You can have your pesky facts if this is what your all about!
Posted by: LBH
| March 13, 2008 8:59 PM
Tim Russert made Obama renounce Farrakhan.
Posted by: Neil
| March 13, 2008 9:01 PM
BHO repudiated Farrakhan before he was asked to do so in a debate by Tim Russert.
Russert demanded it on air but it was done many times before then.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 9:05 PM
I wonder how long DC will continue to let LBH use his blog as a forum for personal attacks on other posters?
Pande's kids, diapers, what church a person attends, DB's bedroom, etc. etc.
I wonder is we can ever actually discuss an issue without the piles of bullshit?
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 9:13 PM
A tale of two extremists
[…]
Louis Farrakhan had a few kind words to say about Barack Obama. In response, Obama repudiated Farrakhan, made no effort to reach out to him (formally or informally), and said he wanted nothing to do with the Nation of Islam leader. Nevertheless, campaign reporters covered Farrakhan’s “endorsement” with great enthusiasm, and Obama was pressed on the “issue” at this week’s debate.
Which leads to an interesting contrast. While Obama repudiated Farrakhan, McCain dropped everything to appear alongside Hagee. While Obama made no effort to reach out to Farrakhan, McCain sought Hagee’s support and said he was “very honored” to accept it. While Obama said he wanted nothing to do with Farrakhan, McCain said he hoped to capitalize on Hagee’s endorsement to curry favor with the evangelical community.
At least one state Republican Party issued an official press release this week touting “Anti-Semites for Obama.” Would it now be equally fair for a state Democratic Party to issue a press release on “Anti-Catholic Leaders for McCain”? The key difference seems to be that Obama rejected the bigot who offered him support, while McCain did the opposite.
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Yes, that’s the GOP jumping onboard with the smear against BHO.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 9:32 PM
The FundamentaList
Rest assured McCain will not reject and repudiate the whole Hagee package. Hagee has too big a following and is too connected with the neoconservative foreign-policy brain trust for McCain to risk alienating. The neoconservative elites -- who rely on evangelical grassroots support -- are now, as Gregory Levey reported last week in Salon, engaged in a full-throttle lobbying and PR campaign to undermine the assessment of the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that Iran abandoned its project to assemble a nuclear weapon in 2003.
Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI) announced similar lobbying intentions shortly after the NIE was made public, when its executive director, David Brog, told CUFI members that "rest assured that we in CUFI will not be fooled or deterred by the headlines about the NIE. We've read the rest of the story. And we're more worried now than ever. We intend to redouble our efforts to secure economic sanctions on Iran. This remains the only way short of war to avert a tragedy."
McCain may well get explicit about the NIE soon, but meanwhile he's busy showing Hagee's followers that he's no Neville Chamberlain appeasing this century's Hitler, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Just like Bush appealed to evangelicals by using coded language (such as referring to the Dred Scott decision as code for his opposition to Roe v. Wade), McCain's new ad invoking the image of Winston Churchill was undoubtedly a ploy to appeal to Christian Zionists without alienating other voters.
One of Hagee's favorite motivators for his partisans is to compare them to Churchill (and its detractors to the Nazi appeaser Chamberlain). When likening Ahmadinejad to Hitler, Hagee cautions his followers against acting like an enabling Chamberlain and exhorts them to aspire to be a heroic Churchill. As Hagee told his followers in 2006, just months after launching CUFI, "if you compare world history from 1935 until 1939 we are reliving that era. In that era Hitler pledged to kill the Jews and the people of the free world were trying to come to grips with the rise of Hitler's dictatorship and the threat to democracy. Only Winston Churchill got it right!"
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What a guy, eh?
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 9:46 PM
Obama's pastor says 'God damn America'
CHICAGO, March 13 (UPI) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's pastor has drawn increased scrutiny since the Illinois senator said his church is not controversial.
Obama's pastor, who has been the longtime leader of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, says that blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but instead "God damn America," ABC News reported.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has also said the United States brought on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks with its own "terrorism," ABC reported.
Just days after the Sept. 11 attacks, ABC reported that Wright said the U.S. government brought on the attacks.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said on Sept. 16, 2001.
ABC said it found that Wright regularly talks on the treatment of blacks.
"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme," Wright said in a 2003 sermon.
Obama this month said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." As for the church's pastor, he said Wright is "like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with."
Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle and baptized their two daughters, the report said.
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There will be hell to pay - for Obama, McSame - not so much. Thanks to the M$M.
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 10:21 PM
Zombie chow. Remember that "warm and fuzzy" feeling that LBH was complaining about? It turns out it wasn't the Koolaid enema after all. Evidently, he gorges himself on Zombie chow and yaks the shit back up on this blog. Blech.
LBH, this may not cheer you up; but it might make that "warm fuzzy" feeling slowly fade away.
I finally got the Thursday Night Funnies back on Thursday. S.H.I.T., folks.
"Obviously the big story today is still Governor Eliot Spitzer's involvement with a prostitution ring. ... We're not going to be talking about it on this show. The man said he was sorry and I believe him. He is obviously sorry. ... I would like to thank the governor on behalf of husbands everywhere. It's not often that you walk in the door and say, 'Honey, I'm home and I didn't go to a prostitute,' and that gets you a hug. Guys, from now on it doesn't matter how many birthdays, anniversaries or children's names you forget, as long as you don't go to prostitutes, you're doing pretty good. And to capitalize on that sentiment, I've created a new line of Spitzer-inspired greeting cards sure to get you out of just about any jam. First up, 'Happy Belated Birthday! I don't go to prostitutes.' 'Happy Flag Day! I didn't pay a woman to have sex on a flag.' Finally, 'Okay, I do go to prostitutes, but I won't ask you to stand next to me while I admit it.'"
--Stephen Colbert
"Do you ever notice politics is the only profession when a guy gets caught with a hooker, the wife has to stand by his side. You know, if this guy was a plumber and he got caught with a prostitute, he'd have his wife's SUV tire tracks over his head."
--Jay Leno
"Here's one that is kind of cute. He would get the hookers, the call girls, the prostitutes, the whores, and he would run them down, put them on the train, Amtrak. Like they need more publicity. And he'd run them down to Washington, DC, and they'd check into a beautiful suite and have the rendezvous at a place called the Mayflower Hotel. Now that's the difference between a Democratic and a Republican sex scandal. The Republicans have their rendezvous at an airport men's room"
--David Letterman
"Actually, she stood right next to him in the press conference. That is always amazing to me, how these guys get their wives to stand there and support them. ... I don't know what kind of zombie chow they put in these women's food, but it's mind-boggling. ... I don't want to rub it in to any of you visiting from New York, but here in California, our governor doesn't have to pay for sex. When he wants it, he takes it."
--Jimmy Kimmel
"This is the most embarrassing thing to happen to a governor, I guess, since Arnold Schwarzenegger did 'Kindergarten Cop.'"
--Jay Leno
"Did you happen to see the press conference, very dramatic. Eliot Spitzer was there, he had yellow crime scene tape draped around his pants, it was crazy."
--David Letterman
"The big, the new scandal breaking here in New York, Eliot Spitzer apparently involved in some kind of prostitution activities -- you know what that means?: Hookers. And right now, Spitzer is huddling with his advisers to develop a drinking problem."
--David Letterman
"In political news, Hillary Clinton has been hinting that she and Barack Obama might share the Democratic ticket with her in the number one position. She feels Barack Obama deserves some sort of consolation prize for getting the most votes and being the most popular."
--Jay Leno
"Are you getting a little more excited about the presidential race now? ... Remember when it was 140 people running for president and you didn't know who they were? Now we're down to three. And the latest is Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, they've all been arguing, claiming that they're the most qualified person to answer the White House phone at 3 a.m. Yeah, McCain said, 'I'm the most qualified, because I'm usually up at that hour peeing anyway.'"
--Conan O'Brien
"Here's what happened, it was one of those sting deals. And they caught Eliot Spitzer, Gov. Spitzer, with a wire, recording him soliciting a prostitute. And I'm thinking, 'Holy cow, we can't get Bin Laden, but we got Spitzer. We got Sptizer.'"
--David Letterman
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 10:24 PM
lololololo
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 10:34 PM
Clinton Says, "Barack's Ready... For Number Two!"
Combating questions as to how she could speak of the "Dream Ticket" of Clinton/Obama while simultaneously insinuating that Obama is ill-prepared for higher office, Senator Hillary Clinton announced today that Barack's recent wins in Wyoming and Mississippi had more than proved his capabilities as a vice-president contender. "To be honest," she said, "when this race started I didn't think he had the stuff. But now that he is soundly beating me, from Iowa to North Carolina, from Alaska to Minnesota, I have to say I would be very proud to have him as my Veep."
Clinton trails Obama by an estimated 100 delegates. He's won 27 states to her 16. "Obama's a fighter." She said, "This nation needs a fighter. White, black, male, female, we all need a fighter like Obama. And I think he will do great in the vice presidential debates against Huckabee." She also pointed out that he defeated her by large margins in many southern states, "I mean, frankly, he kicked my butt. I could use that kind of fire power come November."
“It's not easy to run a 50 state political operation, to inspire the student vote, to reach across color lines and tired prejudices, to give people hope for a better tomorrow. Obama's done a neat job with that. He may not be ready for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but I think he's more than ready for Number One Observatory Circle." When asked what kind of vice president Obama would make, she said, "I'm sure he'd be right up there with the greats, Elbridge Gerry, Henry Wilson, Garret Hobart." When a reporter pointed out that each of those Vice Presidents died in office, Senator Clinton appeared shocked.
"All I'm saying is that when people look at Obama, they don't see a tortured political machine, they don't see triangulation and big money, they see something very different. Maybe it's optimism, I don't know. But I would be proud to bring some of that stuff, whatever it is, into our campaign."
Posted by: capt
| March 13, 2008 10:49 PM
The Ignorance Of The Right from Andrew Sullivan's blog:
"It's pretty staggering to read the Corner today and find the following admissions:"
I don't see any problem with Barack Obama admitting that part of his appeal is the hope that he might help mend the racial divide and turn a new page. But he could also say that he's not running for the President of Black America but of all America and that his qualifications involve more than his skin color. He's more than eloquent enough to make that case.
"Hello? Anyone home? Has Jonah read Obama's books? Or even a basic profile of the guy?
===+===
But this is exactly what Obama has been saying in public and out loud for months and months and months. It must be nice knowing what side you're on without ever even bothering to find out the most basic facts about your opponent's message. Then here's torture maven Andy McCarthy:
Did you know, for example, that the Reverand [sic] is the inspiration for Obama's memoir The Audacity of Hope — the title is evidently taken from a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope." (I didn't until I heard Rush mention it a few minutes ago.)
Again: where has he been for the past year? And "under a rock" is too easy an answer."
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 11:13 PM
The conspiracy theory that LBH accused me of spouting gains momentum:
Apparent fraud costs GOP group heavily
The National Republican Congressional Committee told federal authorities that it overstated the amount of cash it held at the end of 2006 by nearly $1 million. A year later, the committee's annual report to the Federal Election Commission — which again was handled by the ex-treasurer — overstated the actual funds on hand by $740,000.
Republican officials said the former employee, Chris Ward, apparently "made several hundred thousand dollars in unauthorized transfers of NRCC funds to outside committees whose bank accounts he had access to" over several years. Most, if not all, of the smaller accounts were associated with GOP candidates or groups.
The activities were discovered in late January, after Ward repeatedly made excuses to avoid showing audit information to an NRCC oversight panel. The committee ended its relationship with him on Jan. 28, when it alerted the FBI, which is investigating.
After dropping 1.2 Million to LOSE Denny Hastert's old seat, they had to drag Mr. 20% into the campaign to raise money. Bush easily doubled the money that they have on hand which was about 6 Million.
===+===
Meanwhile, Dems spend pennies on the dollar to easily sweep the GOP into the dustbin of history. They have 35 million on hand while all of the Democratic congressional candidates that the GOP has targeted for the fall have individually outraised their opponents by multiples ranging from 2 to 10.
Obama's raised $140 million. How 'bout Gramps McBush?
Mistah GOP... He dead. (With apologies to Joseph Conrad)
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 11:29 PM
BHO repudiated Farrakhan before he was asked to do so in a debate by Tim Russert.
John McSame has not been asked to do so but also has not done so.
Those pesky facts.
~~~
God who cares already, I'm bored~~You can have your pesky facts if this is what your all about!"
Posted by: LBH March 13, 2008 8:59 PM
Neil and Capt,
You liberals and your evil logic... sticking to the facts and shit. Cut it out already. You're ruining LBH's buzz. It's bad enough when I get his head to poppin' and he starts horking up the Zombie chow; you people are making it worse by spanking him around like that.
Remember that Ace of Spades post that I linked yesterday? Check out the similarities between LBH (his clear disregard for the Truth and his dismissal of the relevance of factual substantiation) and AoS's boredom with the necessity of having to hew to the facts. It's as if the Zombie chow has poisoned everyone on the right.
Well maybe not everyone. I notice that resident rightie Tomcantu steers clear of the Zombie chow at all costs.
I guess there are some things up with which he will not put.
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 11:43 PM
There is something to be said for blogs where civility is the rule and not the exception. I have wondered what this blog would be like without the troupe of gay-baiting, racist liars that make it their hobby to assault the fine folks here with their nonsense.
Tomcantu may not admit it publicly, but loonies like LBH have turned the GOP into the minority party that it is today. Their unprincipled, unhinged personal attacks are precisely the type of politics that Obama is trying to abolish. Again, I have nothing against partisan rants. We need to hear what the other side has to say to come to a concensus as to where to go from here. I've said (of the goons who have shown up on this blog to disrupt the political discourse) that Mr. Corn should not ban them because it gives people a chance to see how hateful, xenophobic and unmoored from reality the GOP has become. I understand that the exchanges between me and LBH do give one that queazy feeling that DB and Neil spoke of. Watching LBH flounder around in his own filth is painful but instructive. Selah.
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 13, 2008 11:58 PM
" Their unprincipled, unhinged personal attacks are precisely the type of politics that Obama is trying to abolish."
Well said.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 12:18 AM
I have wondered what this blog would be like without the troupe of gay-baiting, racist liars that make it their hobby to assault the fine folks here with their nonsense.
A little less informative, and much less exciting. After it became apparant much of LBH's material was coming straight off Free Republic without even taking the time to read the sources for what he deemed relevant I began to question if it was even worth responding anymore. He and those like him can irk me but you are right, the other side must be allowed to provide bunk so that we may debunk. I may be good with Google but you have much more flair. It's been fun hanging back these last few days watching the show.
Posted by: eyes_open
| March 14, 2008 1:10 AM
2008 Republican Leadership Survey
[…]
8.Which of the following accomplishments do you feel is President Bush's greatest achievement?
*Historic tax cuts
*Prosecuting the War on Terror
*Medicare prescription drug plan
*Supreme Court Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito
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You only have four from which to choose?
lololololo
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:49 AM
McCain’s other crazed evangelist ally
[…]
Keep in mind, Parsley is not just some fringe figure. In evangelical circles, he’s something of a powerhouse, and is widely believed to be one of the religious right’s new major players, after Falwell’s death and Robertson’s deterioration. It’s precisely why McCain, desperate for support from a right-wing constituency that has never trusted him, would cozy up to this hateful extremist (or, should I say, another hateful extremist).
I suppose waiting for McCain to denounce Parsley’s anti-Muslim bigotry would take a while, so there’s hardly any point to asking. But it would be worthwhile for campaign reporters, always looking for a new angle or story, to ask the senator why he’d stand alongside a “spiritual guide” who believes the United States has to “destroy” the “false religion” of Islam.
And lest there be any confusion, Parsley isn’t a one-trick pony — sure, he hates Muslims, but his bread and butter includes attacks on gays, abortion, the federal judiciary, and civil libertarians. Best of all, his rhetoric frequently includes what sounds like appeals to violence, telling his followers, “I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations. Ready your weapons.” (One wants to assume he’s speaking metaphorically, but it’s not entirely clear.)
This is the man John McCain has embraced as a politically ally. Remind me again how he developed a reputation as a moderate?
*****
Hey McSame had a BBQ so the press will let him have a pass.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:58 AM
The American Public can't seem to remember anything longer than about a week. This amazes me. Parsley is a bigot. He has difficulties with women suing him according to local scuttlebutt. He backed Bush all the way which proves that he is no judge of character and now he backs McBushCain America's biggest political ass kisser.
Posted by: kalpal
| March 14, 2008 7:18 AM
Pastor's hellfire sermons put Obama's campaign in hot water
Barack Obama faced potential damage to his campaign yesterday after television networks aired footage of sermons by the former pastor of Obama's church likening the Democratic frontrunner to Jesus and declaring: "God damn America."
*****
While McSame courts and receives support from idiots that claim America was attacked on 9/11 because of gays - that makes sense?
Good thing the M$M doesn't have a double standard, eh?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 8:30 AM
Clinton strategist says Obama 'can't win the general election'
Though the campaign later argued that he hadn't said it, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief campaign strategist told reporters this morning that Sen. Barack Obama "can't win the general election."
Mark Penn made the comment during a conference call in which the Clinton campaign and two of her supporters -- Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter -- argued that Obama has sent Pennsylvanians a bad signal by allegedly downplaying the importance of that state's April 22 primary. They made the case that this memo from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe (which Nutter said the author should be fired for writing), would come back to haunt Obama in the fall if he is the Democratic nominee.
Here is what Penn said. We're posting a little more than 2 minutes of his opening statement because we want to make sure you get the full context. It's in the last 20 seconds or so that he says Obama "really can't win the general election." As you'll hear, he also says that "if Barack Obama can't win" in Pennsylvania, "how could he win the general election?"
*****
The HRC camp is delusional.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 8:36 AM
Afghanistan challenge romantic - Bush
US President George W Bush says he would fight in Afghanistan if he was younger.
President Bush spoke of his dream to work on the frontline in Afghanistan during a video conference with US military and civilian personnel in the war-torn country.
"I must say, I'm a little envious," Bush said.
"If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.
"It must be exciting for you ... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks," President Bush said.
*****
Too effin funny - Commander AWOL would have the courage to fight if he was younger? He didn’t have the stones for Vietnam but he is a brave little fake soldier now, eh?
lololololo
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 8:56 AM
"But there's this update"
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 11:32 AM
It seems that, unlike the Parsley and Hagee associations with Senator McCain, the Jeremiah Wright's association with Senator Obama is starting to really gain traction. I believe there are several reasons for this.
1.Senator Obama has been attending the Rev. Wright's church for over twenty years.
2.Rev. Wright married Senator and Mrs. Obama.
3.Rev. Wright has an official capacity in the Obama campaign.
4.Senator Obama has stated on numerous ocassions that he looks to Rev. Wright for guidance.
I think there is also a perception difference. Parsley and Hagee are seen as simply crazy. Rev. Wright is perceived as someone truly vile. His level of vitriol is stunning.
Right or not, this story has legs. Senator Obama must remove Rev. Wright from the campaign.
Posted by: Tomcantu
| March 14, 2008 1:17 PM
One other point. When have we become so politically correct that we can't express an opinion without being excoriated for it?
I believe Senator Obama to be a great man, the best possible Democrat candidate. But let me ask Geraldine Ferraro's question another way: "Do you think Senator Obama would have received, in some cases, over 90% of the black vote against Senator Clinton if he weren't black?"
It's obvious that certain people won't vote for Senator Obama because he is black. Can't an equally valid claim be made that some people will vote for him because he is black?
Posted by: Tomcantu
| March 14, 2008 1:22 PM
Early Morning Jokes
A re-do in Florida's presidential Democratic primary is regarded as unlikely. More likely is utterly disgraced Eliot Spitzer's triumphant comeback in New York politics this Saturday.
Speaking of that fellow who's been so much in the news lately, I just looked at this Reuters headline: "New York Gov. Spitzer Resigns But More Woes Likely." More hoes? Not so likely.
On Wednesday, Keith Olbermann eviscerated Sen. Clinton's mealy-mouthed handling of the racist remarks made by Geraldine Ferraro. On Thursday, Hillary apologized. If you saw Keith's astonishingly commentary, you'll agree he should indefinitely be voted Best Person in the ...Worrrrrrrrrrrrld!
While discussing Geraldine Ferraro's controversial remarks on Dan Abrams' MSNBC show, Pat Buchanan told guest Keli Goff --- who's black --- to shut up. Yikes! I felt like I'd tuned in to a new show called "Burning Crossfire."
If the senator from New York had been listening more to Olbermann and less to Mark Penn this year, she might not be in the hole she's now in which (according to recent snapshots from space) is approximately the size of Brazil.
Washington Post news item: "The former treasurer for the National Republican Congressional Committee diverted hundreds of thousands of dollars - and possibly as much as $1 million -- of the organization's funds into his personal accounts." I love how the key verb here is "diverted" not "stealing." That's like saying criminals weren't "breaking and entering," they were just "bending and approaching."
Katrina victims are still complaining about red tape. A FEMA spokesman pointed out that red is a festive color, tape should remind them of wrapped Christmas presents and maybe the real problem is their negative attitudes.
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Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:23 PM
Tom,
Obama said some voters might favor or disfavor him because he is black, just as some might favor or disfavor Clinton because she is female.
However, he said, "the overwhelming majority of Americans are going to make these decisions based on who they think will be the best president. I have absolute confidence that if I'm doing my job, if I'm delivering my message, then there are very few voters out there that I can't win."
"If I'm not winning them over," he said, "then it's my fault."
*****
I think he is saying the right things. FWIW
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:31 PM
If Ferrarro had not said the same thing about Jesse Jackson 20 years ago - she might have had a leg to stand on.
Then to pretend Obama is attacking her, that she is being dicriminated against because she is white?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:34 PM
If the "black vote" is what makes Obama a viable candidate how does Wyoming factor in?
95% white - must be an error of some sort, eh?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Captain,
Then you agree with Ms. Ferraro that, for better or for worse, he is, IN SOME PART, where he is today because of the color of his skin?
I agree with Ms. Ferraro, but only in that I think he would be even further ahead if he weren't black. She thinks the opposite.
Tom
Posted by: Tomcantu
| March 14, 2008 1:39 PM
"If Ferrarro had not said the same thing about Jesse Jackson 20 years ago - she might have had a leg to stand on."
From Politico:
"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.
Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.
Here's the full context:
Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."
Tom
Posted by: Tomcantu
| March 14, 2008 1:48 PM
Tom,
There is no reason to discount the support Barack has from black voters as some kind of color preference. Or that black voters are some kind of a voting block.
Black voters make choices just like us white folks. Some might think race is the issue but you are painting with a very broad brush and the meme being peddled is insulting to most people of color.
Using that same logic old white guys are for McSame because he is old and white, all humans with female body parts support HRC.
Do you thik it could be a bit more complicated than the vague generalizations?
BHO didn't get to the race on his race.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:50 PM
If you read the thread from yesterday I posted the whole quote in context.
She is a racist and so is any person (however well meaning) that thinks BHO is popular or unpopular because of his skin color.
Come on now, you know better.
Racism is hate, hate sucks.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:53 PM
Racism never bugs the racists, that is always a most telling thing when people defend racist comments and racist positions.
All the more predictable they use the reverse race card as a defense because they just don't have any sincere racial sensitivity. They think they are past their personal race issues but they cannot hide their true feeling.
Latent racism always bleeds through - it is very deep seated hatred based in self loathing. Harder to get rid of then an addiction.
Then Gerry tried to say she was complimenting Baracks blackness? Now THAT is funny.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 1:58 PM
The Jeremiah Wright story is gaining traction because the "liberal media" is anything but. If it was there wouldn't have been the simple claim the media was not scrutinizing Obama's record, the claim would be they were investigating Clinton's and McCain's while ignoring Obama's. The media has failed at properly reporting on all three allowing unsubstantiated claims and willful silence to rule instead of facts.
I do think we agree that unfortunatally some people still make decisions based on race and Obama would probably be farther ahead if he wasn't black. We have come a long way as a country with race relations but there is still to do. I can understand why there are lingering feelings between blacks and whites given history, but tensions between latinos and blacks just baffles me. (It is real, I've witnessed it myself)
Posted by: eyes_open
| March 14, 2008 2:06 PM
Obama: I "Profoundly Disagree" With Pastor Over "God Damn America" Comments
In an interview with a Pittsburgh newspaper, Obama personally addresses the revelations that Obama's pastor said "God damn America":
Q: I don't know if you've seen it, but it's all over the wire today (from an ABC News story), a statement that your pastor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side) made in a sermon in 2003 that instead of singing "God Bless America," black people should sing a song essentially saying "God Damn America."
A: I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements.
Q: What about this particular statement?
A: Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe.
*****
So why is McSame not saying the same thing about HIS spiritual advisor Rod Parsley?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 2:53 PM
"tensions between latinos and blacks just baffles me"
And here in ABQ there are tensions between latinos and mexicans . . .
As a white guy - that one is hard understand.
Then there is the whole native American vs. latinos vs. locals thing.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 2:57 PM
Holding Up a Mirror To the Clinton Cult
[…]
Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. It is the black voters that are winning him delegates.
Black voters are 12% of the electorate. Obama's received more white votes than black votes. He's also winning among independents and Republican crossover voters, both cohorts with very few black members. And Clinton was beating Obama among black voters until her surrogates started injecting race into the campaign. But nevertheless Obama is "lucky" to be African American, and with a African/Arabic-ish name. That's why the Presidency of Ahmad Jamal was followed immediately by that of his successor, Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 3:14 PM
Glengarry Glen Bitch
(last three lines)
Cake: Eat me!
Marie Antoinette: Go ahead, eat him.
Kool-aid: (hypnotically) Then drink me. Driiiiink meeeee...
*****
Very funny piece.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 3:49 PM
Mr. Corn should not ban them because it gives people a chance to see how hateful, xenophobic and unmoored from reality the GOP has become.
Posted by my good friend Pando
~~~
Wow! you're the one who belongs to a church that said 911 was because of gays and then you have the nerve to call me hateful and xenophobic? I really don't need to say anymore about this~
By the way I'm a registered indepentent who has voted Democrat and Republican so you can label me anyway you want but you guy's are the one's who are partisan hacks. In fact I've said on this blog that I wasn't sure who I was going to vote for yet so save your pathetic attempt to slime me with your GOP drivel for another day.
Oh ya, Eyes~ I post stuff from Free Republic and Huffington Post so I consider myself more balanced than you, sorry!
What really makes me giggle the most is that you guy's have picked who you want for Prez without knowing anything about him and now all you do everyday is end up defending him. He will go negative at some point and we will see what he is really made of. If none of this stuff sticks on him then heck I just might vote for him.
Still doesn't change the fact that Pande goes to a bigoted church~~
Posted by: LBH
| March 14, 2008 3:50 PM
And here in ABQ there are tensions between latinos and mexicans . . .
That's where you start getting away from race and are dealing more with reagional/national pride issues.
The black/latino thing bothers me more than others because I know of no reason how it got started. Unless there was some major historical happening I was never taught in school (which honestly wouldn't surprise me) and no one talks about it is utterly rediculous. I've heard comments from both sides and each accuses the other of the same things. There are always individuals who live up to negative stereotypes but I have never felt any race was more guilty than any other.
Posted by: eyes_open
| March 14, 2008 4:12 PM
The latinos in California and New Mexico were there long before the gringos arrived. They had their own high and low classes, but certainly have had pride of place. I suspect they view gringos, blacks, and mexicans as new-comers. Unwelcome ones, much as the pueblo indians of the Rio Grange valley view the latinos as unwelcome new-comers.
IMHO
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 14, 2008 5:19 PM
Rio Grande
A grange is for the Volga German farmers around here.
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 14, 2008 5:30 PM
"Mr. Corn should not ban"
Who said anything about banning someone?
That's patently absurd.
As if the only reaction to a juvenile poster is to ban them?
I think we can all try to help the troll imporve the content by asking or by not encouraging the low stuff?
Manner is a gift to ones self. It is an expression of self-respect. We should all promote self-respect.
Or am I missing something?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:04 PM
Mr. Corn has asked more than once to post with consideration of all posters, we should be attentive to his requests.
I guess he could try to ban someone but that would not be indicated if history is any guide.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:07 PM
"Pande goes to a bigoted church"
That has to do with the election how?
Why is that a fair remark?
Where do you go to church and what would that have to do with the election?
Why do you always revert to a personal thing when you can't make a point otherwise?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:11 PM
"The black/latino thing "
Here it is not so much. The latinos I know have very close relations with other people of color. (might just be my friends)
Maybe too far north?
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:22 PM
On My Faith and My Church
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.
Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.
As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.
Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.
With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
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Wow - the guy just addressed the issue head-on and with complete candor.
I think BHO just stole the show!
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:41 PM
The more he is attacked the more Barack seems to take advantage of the opportunity to show his presidential demeanor and temperment.
If BHO isn't the real deal - he is darn close.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 6:51 PM
"Eliot Spitzer was a Hillary Clinton superdelegate. ... Also, Spitzer was on Hillary Clinton's vice president list, possible running mate. Boy, she can pick 'em, can't she?"
--David Letterman
"Now, here's the deal about the tryst down there in a Washington, DC, hotel -- $5,000 and a hotel room. Five grand and a hotel room. And Senator Larry Craig -- you remember Larry from Idaho? He said, 'Well, that's crazy. For two quarters, I can have a pay toilet all night.'"
--David Letterman
"No, the FBI said they became suspicious after tracking what they call 'questionable transfers of money' from Spitzer's account. See, at first they thought he was hiding bribe money. And then they realized it's highly unlikely that the governor would be bribed by a woman named Cindy Candypants."
--Jay Leno
"Our governor, Eliot Spitzer, resigned today. ... And to make things official, Governor Spitzer had to write a letter of resignation to New York's secretary of state. He wrote a letter. Yeah. Out of habit, Spitzer addressed the letter 'Dear Penthouse.'"
--Conan O'Brien
"Some of the more sordid details are starting to emerge, supposedly, Spitzer didn't like to wear a condom which I'm sure was just the cherry on top of his wife's cake."
--Jimmy Kimmel
"Today he held another press conference he said he needed to leave to begin the difficult process of healing. Not emotionally -- his wife hit him in the face with a George Foreman Grill."
--Jimmy Kimmel
Colbert: Friend of the show and Emperor's Club lifetime member, Eliot Spitzer, resigned as governor of New York. ... It was such a big story that the media followed the governor's SUV through traffic for over 20 minutes in the hope that he would stop and pick up a prostitute. Jimmy, can we get a close-up on his bumper sticker?
on screen: bumper sticker reading,
'My Other Ride Is A Hooker
Colbert : ... You do not want to see what he's got in his mud flaps. ... But Spitzer's resignation was short and moving
Sptizer on screen: The remorse I feel will always be with me.
Colbert: And on future business trips, so will Mrs. Spitzer"
"On Monday, the lieutenant governor will take over. His name is David Patterson. He's African-American and legally blind. He'll be the first blind governor in the United States. He's already announced that his top legislative priority will be the death penalty for people who don't clean up after their dogs."
--Jimmy Kimmel
"Congratulations to Barack Obama, won again last night. He beat Hillary in Mississippi, 60% of the vote. In fact, he won by such a wide margin, Hillary is now definitely gonna offer him the number two spot on the ticket."
--Jay Leno
"And I thought this was rubbing it in. I guess Barack called Hillary last night to tell her that he won at 3 a.m. in the morning."
--Jay Leno
"I saw 'Clueless' on TV last night. Geraldine Ferraro? Anybody see that? Well, Geraldine Ferraro was forced to leave the Clinton campaign after saying that the only reason Barack Obama is winning is because he's black, and you know, hey, there's some truth to that. The only way you're gonna get elected president of this country is you're a black guy. A rich old white guy? How many of those have we had?"
--Jay Leno
"And Democratic officials in Florida and Michigan are talking about doing a re-vote. They want people to vote again in those primaries. In fact, Florida officials have been scrambling to re-program their voting machines, because most of them are still wired to pick George Bush."
--Jay Leno
"Republican presidential candidate John McCain is in the news. John McCain says he's trying to find a vice presidential running mate. Not only that, McCain is also trying to find his reading glasses and his car keys. ... He's an older gentleman. That's the idea there. You'll be hearing more of those in the next nine months, because that's our take. Until he gets a whore."
--Conan O'Brien
Jon Stewart: The race for the Democratic nomination moved yesterday to Mississippi ... where Senator Barack Obama defeated Senator Clinton by 61% to 37%. ... Second win in a row for Obama. Clearly gaining momentum. Major night for his campaign
on screen: montage of news anchors and pundits saying Obama's win was expected.
Stewart: There you have it, if the media isn't surprised something is going to happen, it does not count. Actually, there was one shocking result
Sean Hannity on screen: Nine to one African-Americans vote for Barack Obama. 76% of the white voters go for Hillary. What are we to make of those two things?
Stewart: That slavery leaves a mark."
--Jon Stewart
Posted by: Pandemoniac
| March 14, 2008 7:19 PM
Why hasn't the M$M connected the dots and asked about McSame and Rod Parsley?
HUGE controversy for BHO - nuttin on McSame? (except DC asking)
Hmmmmm
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 7:40 PM
When McCain Does Something Wrong, the Media Calls Him a Hero
In the past week, The New York Times has described John McCain as "a Vietnam hero and national security pro." The Associated Press has referred to McCain's "Vietnam War-hero biography." UPI has referred to him as "the 71-year-old Vietnam hero." The Boston Globe called McCain "a 71-year-old war hero." The Buffalo News combined the two descriptions, describing McCain as "a 71-year-old Vietnam War hero." And Newsweek declared McCain "a war hero who is fun to be around."
(Such casual invocations of McCain's war record are far from new. Two examples: In 2003, the Las Vegas Review-Journal sneaked a reference to McCain's Vietnam service into the beginning of an article about his efforts to ban gambling on the NCAA basketball tournament. In August 2000, the Chicago Tribune shoehorned McCain's status as a former prisoner of war into a brief article -- just 157 words -- about his skin cancer.)
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The M$M are as worthless as teats on a boar.
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 7:46 PM
capt --- Or too far south. Try Espanola.
Posted by: David B. Benson
| March 14, 2008 7:53 PM
I wish!
Posted by: capt
| March 14, 2008 8:17 PM
McCain: Washington is ‘the city of Satan.’
In a rare Senate appearance yesterday, McCain failed to attract support for a halt to pork-barrel spending, losing on a 71-29 vote. An angry McCain told voters today that he was only “doing the Lord’s work” but unfortunately was doing it “in the city of Satan”:
Later in Springfield, Penn., McCain told voters: “We were voting on major issues of profound consequences with no discussion, no debate and 10 minutes to vote.
“Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan,” said McCain, who has served four-terms in the Senate.
McCain has been part of the “city of Satan” for over 20 years.
Posted by: capt
| March 15, 2008