Should Dems Pick a Nominee Dems Consider Nasty and Dishonest?

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During a conference call on Wednesday morning, David Plouffe, the campaign manager for Barack Obama, pointed to what he called a "warning sign" for Democrats: the exit polls from Mississippi, where Obama on Tuesday beat Hillary Clinton 61 to 37 percent. Plouffe noted that when Democratic voters who participated in this primary were asked "which candidate do you think is honest and trustworthy," 50 percent said Clinton was not. Seventy percent of the Democrats polled said Obama was honest and trustworthy. That's a 20-point integrity gap--and its among Democrats. Certainly, many Democrats elsewhere--such as in states where Clinton won big--do not share this distrust of Clinton. But Plouffe is right: numbers like these ought to give Democrats, be they voters or super-delegates, pause.

Another interesting factoid from the exit polls: who's the more vicious candidate. The exit pollsters asked Democrats in Mississippi if either Obama or Clinton has attacked "the other unfairly." Sixty-one percent said that Clinton has; 39 percent said that Obama has. So in addition to the integrity gap, there was a 22-point nasty gap. Again, Democratic voters in states that went for Clinton may not see this the same way. And given that the Mississippi Democratic electorate included many African Americans, this number may reflect a sentiment held more by black Democrats than white Democrats. (Remember South Carolina?) Nevertheless, all this is food for thought for Democrats: do they want a presidential candidate that many voters within their own ranks consider unfair and not honest?

For more of a breakdown of the Mississippi vote--particularly the racial component (short answer: Clinton won whites; Obama won blacks)--see my colleague Jonathan Stein's posting at MotherJones.com.

    Comments

  1. "do they want a presidential candidate that many voters within their own ranks consider unfair and not honest?"


    Let's hope not.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 11:41 AM

  2. A Hllary supporter I spoke with at the caucus said she likes BHO but was afraid he is too nice like Carter and wouldn't get things done. She flat out said she wanted a nasty candidate to twist arms and fight dirty. There was no desire to change the political tone, just be on the winning side of the status quo. I suspect many other HRC supporters feel the same way.

    Posted by: eyes_open Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 12:00 PM

  3. I just hope Hillary doesn't damage Obama irreparably in her attempt to capture the nomination. The overt and subtle sliming of Obama will continue by the Clinton campaign.... instead of going after McSame for his flaws.

    Posted by: Neil Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 12:52 PM

  4. Dishonest, no. That is an objectively unfair and unreasonalbe. Americans have had enough of alternate universe Bush Adminsitration and have no stomach for Gramps McBush and his flip-floppery (and the extension of Mr. 20%'s policies.

    Nastiness is a relative term. Respect and civility are earned. I think LBH could learn from that dictum. A president that unites the nation will always accomplish more than one who divides us into subgroups and partisan interests.

    That said, when Roadblock Republicans won't let the needs of Americans be met by blocking every piece of legislation that comes down the pike. Force becomes necessary. Nastiness is necessary when they are harming the interests of the American people.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 1:08 PM

  5. "Nastiness is necessary when they are harming the interests of the American people"

    No doubt but that would require a spine.

    I think the nastiness slung as election rhetoric isn't necessary - certainly not the real low stuff. So far BHO has shown a cool headed temperment. I hope he keeps that.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 2:03 PM

  6. I thought politicians were of a lower order of animal, those without spines.

    Statesmen now...

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 3:02 PM

  7. Ahhh shucks, someone wants to to play nice!

    I love it, democrats being nasty to democrats and somehow you Bush haters find a way to blame him for your shame.

    Maybe you all are right, we need someone who will be nice and polite when dealing with national security issues with Iran, Sryia, Kosovo, South America, Iraq, Afganistan, Terrorists, Evil Oil Companies and don't leave out the corrupt, Evil GOP. Can't we all just get along? I want to just be friends.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 3:14 PM

  8. Nice of your buddy Spitzer to knock Obama out of the front page news today for winning Miss.

    Since Obama is losing in the white and hispanic vote this is going to hurt not having free pro-election coverage by the MSM.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 3:18 PM

  9. Looks like the Fl dems are going to give this one to Hillary~~ It just keeps getting better!


    Politico
    March 11, 2008
    Read More: Primary Calendar

    Re-vote picture clouds


    For a moment, it looked like party leaders were marching toward a Florida revote. But Obama's campaign signaled today that the mechanics would be an obstacle, and Florida's congressional delegation just took a hard line against a re-vote in a joint statement:

    Washington, DC – The Members of Florida’s Democratic Delegation in the U.S. House of Representatives issued the following statement regarding the seating of Florida’s delegates at the DNC National Convention this August.

    “We are committed to working with the DNC, the Florida State Democratic party, our Democratic leaders in Florida, and our two candidates to reach an expedited solution that ensures our 210 delegates are seated.

    “Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind.”

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 3:45 PM

  10. That said, when Roadblock Republicans won't let the needs of Americans be met by blocking every piece of legislation that comes down the pike. Force becomes necessary. Nastiness is necessary when they are harming the interests of the American people
    ~~~

    The only roadblock to the Dems spending frenzy is there pledge to pay as you go. All well, they didn't really mean it anyway!
    ~~~~~


    The Democratic Congress's 2008 Budget: A Tax and Spending Spree

    by Brian M. Riedl


    In January, a Democratic congressional majority was sworn in that was elected in part by promising fiscal responsibility. The Democrats specifically pledged to limit spending increases and employ pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting to keep the budget deficit in check.

    As their first year moves toward a close, it has become clear that the members of this majority have failed to live up to their promises. In just 10 months, Congress has passed legislation that would increase federal spending by a combined $454 billion over 10 years and raise taxes and fees by $98 billion over 10 years and has passed a budget resolution that would bring the tax increase to a projected $2.7 trillion.[1]

    Despite the Democrats' PAYGO pledge of no new deficit spending, legislation enacted thus far has increased spending much faster than taxes, resulting in an additional $356 billion in deficit spending. Only their budget blueprint, which assumes repeal of nearly all of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, would pay for all of their new spending.

    Tax Increases

    [W]e include no assumption of a tax increase.

    --Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND), March 20, 2007.[2]

    Fact: Congress's budget assumes trillions of dollars more in tax revenues than would be collected under cur­rent tax policies. Congress has already passed more than $98 billion in tax increases, and more have been proposed.

    Pledges to increase taxes were generally absent from the 2006 congressional races. There was little reason to call for tax increases. Following the largest three-year revenue surge in 40 years, tax revenues stand at 18.8 percent of GDP--well above the his­torical average.[3] The budget deficit persists only because spending has jumped 26 percent (adjusted for inflation) since 2001. Furthermore, strong growth in jobs, the stock market, and the economy in general began immediately following the 2003 tax cuts.[4] Not surprisingly, the public has little appetite for tax increases.

    Despite relative silence with respect to taxes on the campaign trail, the Democratic congressional majority quickly enacted a budget resolution calling for one of the largest tax increases in history. Under current tax rates, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects $14.107 trillion in tax revenue between 2008 and 2012. Yet the congressional bud­get resolution calls for collecting $14.828 trillion-- an increase of $721 billion.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 4:12 PM

  11. Looks like the Cornnuts favorite little dictaor is a war monger with terrorist ies.
    ~~~

    Chavez's Blustered Diversion

    New York Sun ^ | March 12, 2008 | Jaime Daremblum

    President Chavez tried hard to start a war, or at least look like he wanted to start a war. His excuse, of course, was the raid on Colombian rebels by Colombian troops — on Ecuadorian soil. What all this had to do with Venezuela might not have been clear to outsiders, but Mr. Chavez knew what he was doing. His posturing was strategic, designed to deflect public attention from the increasingly evident failures of his regime. He desperately needed something big to distract disaffected Venezuelans from his failures, and a skirmish with Colombia might have done the trick.

    Creating an external conflict to distract attention from internal trouble is a favorite trick of every strongman. Think of Argentina's General Leopoldo Galtieri who instigated war with Great Britain over the Falkland Islands in an effort to draw attention away from his military junta's disastrous policies.

    Mr. Chavez hoped that stirring up trouble with Colombia would serve a similar end and divert Venezuelans' attention from the breakdown of his "Bolivarian Revolution." For Mr. Chavez, it didn't matter that the leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), Raul Reyes, was killed in Ecuador, not Venezuela; the killing was a useful pretext for diversionary blustering and threats.

    Leave aside the fact that information found on Reyes's laptop confirms that Mr. Chavez is a sponsor of FARC, the terrorist group that has been waging an "insurgency" in Colombia since the 1960s. ...

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 4:18 PM

  12. David Mamet: Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal
    '
    An election-season essay
    by David Mamet/ The Village Voice
    March 11th, 2008 12:00 AM

    I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind.

    As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.

    These cherished precepts had, over the years, become ingrained as increasingly impracticable prejudices. Why do I say impracticable? Because although I still held these beliefs, I no longer applied them in my life. How do I know? My wife informed me. We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: Shut the fuck up. "?" she prompted. And her terse, elegant summation, as always, awakened me to a deeper truth: I had been listening to NPR and reading various organs of national opinion for years, wonder and rage contending for pride of place. Further: I found I had been—rather charmingly, I thought—referring to myself for years as "a brain-dead liberal," and to NPR as "National Palestinian Radio."

    This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong.

    But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.

    ~~~


    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 4:29 PM

  13. Obama: Issues, Not Race, Will Prevail


    […]

    Obama said some voters might favor or disfavor him because he is black, just as some might favor or disfavor Clinton because she is female.

    However, he said, "the overwhelming majority of Americans are going to make these decisions based on who they think will be the best president. I have absolute confidence that if I'm doing my job, if I'm delivering my message, then there are very few voters out there that I can't win."

    "If I'm not winning them over," he said, "then it's my fault."

    *****

    People can say what they will - this guy is saying the right things. How refreshing to hear a politician (however flawed) rise above, be honest and take responsibility for his actions.

    He sure seems more the real deal than any candidate I have heard from in many years - if ever.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 4:49 PM

  14. Geraldine Ferraro has announced in a letter to Hillary Clinton that she is resigning from Hillary's campaign finance committee:

    Dear Hillary –
    I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

    The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

    I won't let that happen.

    Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

    You have my deep admiration and respect.

    Gerry

    *****
    Sorry GF you are a racist and a poorly played victim.

    Good riddance.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 5:36 PM

  15. Pesky Facts:

    Why do you not have the same regard for McCain's first wife and the children she raised on her own, while he was at war?"
    Posted by Me

    "Dude, that is not even close to a comparison. McCain and his first wife divorced. He's been married to Cindy for over 20 years, how long have you been married?
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 12:53 PM

    Me? Almost 18 years. Let's go over the relevant dates. McCain started his relationship with Ms. Sugar-Momma Moneybags in 1979. He divorced his first wife in March or April of 1980. He married little miss homewrecker in May of 1980. He cheated on his wife plenty. Again, that just makes him a shitty husband, not a bad politician.

    "I do not condone anyone who cheats on there (sic)spouse. "
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 12:53 PM

    Uh, yeah. You do. You're just fine with McCain ruining his wife and kids' lives. I haven't heard you complain about it once.

    "If you actually knew what you were talking about then a better comparison would have been Vitter who I said should have resigned. Vitter however isn't facing the possibility of a 20 year jail sentence."
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 12:53 PM

    That tells you all you need to know about the Bush DOJ. Vitter's name and his extramarital (yeah, he cheated on his wife, too) activities with his plaything (Ms. Diaper-Momma) doesn't leak out but is squeezed out of him by some freak. Fitzer's name is the first one out of the bag because he's a Democrat.

    Go back and look at the posts that I linked about Vitter on the CornBlog. Not ONCE did you say a negative thing about Vitter.

    "There's a website called open secrets. Look there, and you'll find everything you need to know about O'Bama's fundraising prowess. You can't expect us to do all the work for you. Sheesh. Conservatives. Lazy. Lazy. Lazy."
    Posted by Me

    Dude again let me clue you in [HA! LBH made a funny!]. I am referring to his fund raising as a state legislator when he was taking money from Rezco. lazy? no ignorant!"
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 12:53 PM

    Yes, you are. The info on OpenSecrets goes all the way back to 1989. His fundraising info is out in the open, which is why they call the site "Open" Secrets.

    "I'm still waiting for an answer. All of the relevant returns. I guess with Grandpa McBush we'll have to go all the way back to when the IRS used an abacus to calculate and verify taxes."
    Posted by Me

    "Who cares~ you should concentrate on getting your boy to live up to his promises."

    That's it? Who cares? Why do you hold your candidate to a lower standard than any other? That is the clearest example of the boundless hypocrisy that comes from your corner of the political ring.

    "I told you guys that Obama was an empty suit:"

    Clinton-backer Ferraro: Obama Where He Is Because He's Black
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 1:27 PM

    And I told you guys that if anyone would embrace Gerry's racism, it would be you. I guess I was right.

    "guess if you're a democrat then breaking the law only applies if you weren't targeted for breaking the law in the first place. Dude that is moronic."
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 1:32 PM

    Which is why all the Dingbats squeal about Scooter Libby being prosecuted for perjury but not outing a CIA officer. Which is why you guys have no problems with Rove changing the story he told the FBI 4 or 5 times. He had a terrible time keeping track of his lies. Like you said that is a moronic argument that Conservatives make. Thanks for making our point.

    "I'll say it right now- step down and strip them of any public retirement and health benifits. Now, let's move on to Spitzer."
    Posted by: LBH | March 11, 2008 5:55 PM

    That's all it's about: going after Spitzer. You can't avoid the hypocrisy charge if you don't throw Craig and Vitter into the mix. Where were you when the events actually happened? Go back and read those posts I linked. What did you say back then (when the Reds were in power in Congress)? Nothing. Not. A. Peep.

    Now that the GOP is reduced to thumbsucking benchwarmers, you can put them down. Look at what happened to Denny Hastert's old seat. It was won by a MoveOn liberal. The GOP is Soooo Dead Man Walking. The time to show your principles was when your guys were in power. Too late. It has become an accepted fact by the voters that the GOP has no principles. The party is dead.

    Also, you said I was making excuses for Spitzer. That's a complete lie. You need to learn to read for content and to get past deceptive headlines. Look at the stories that you copy and paste (when in the world are you gonna learn how to link like the rest of us?). They all have the same disclaimer at the end. "Nothing in the statement indicated that Obama was involved in any wrongdoing." Scream Rezko, Rezko, Rezko all you want. It ain't making a dent in Obama's lead.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 5:43 PM

  16. Pande,

    You can lie about me all you want but until you denounce your gay hating, catholic bashing rapture ready preacher (Haggee) that you give 10% of your income to in support of his hate, then I have nothing else to say to you.

    By the way, I've been married for 22 years but I do not judge other people by a legal divorce that was accepted by both spouses over twenty years ago. Is this something your preacher has brain washed you with also? Maybe Haggee thinks McCains divorced caused 911 along with gays.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:14 PM

  17. Also, you said I was making excuses for Spitzer. That's a complete lie. You need to learn to read for content and to get past deceptive headlines.

    ~~~
    I know you like to think that all my posts are about you my little cornnut ( gets you all excited, I know) but that was addressed to your buddy Neil and Capt~~

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:18 PM

  18. Senator Clinton Isn't A Republican, As Far As I Know

    Very funny.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:29 PM

  19. All the President's Lies

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:31 PM

  20. "but that was addressed to your buddy Neil and Capt"

    ????

    I have no clue what you are on about.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:42 PM

  21. Man, just when I thought you little Cornnuts were not going to be mean and nasty anymore.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:45 PM

  22. Remember, LBH is Not In His Right Mind.

    Not in his left one either.

    :-)

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:48 PM

  23. ?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:49 PM

  24. Try:

    1-800-whiner? www.everybodyispickingonme.com?

    Now I have no clue what you are on about AND i don't care.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 6:50 PM

  25. Remember, LBH is Not In His Right Mind.

    Not in his left one either.
    ~~~

    That's right, I use all my brain not just the dysfunctional left side like Pande and his Cornnut side kicks or my right like Pandes gay hating, catholic bashing preacher.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 7:11 PM

  26. Scream Rezko, Rezko, Rezko all you want. It ain't making a dent in Obama's lead.

    ~~~~

    Hows his lead with the hispanics bro? You're like in the minority of a minority group, now that's a sad commentary, but explains why you're way out here dude!

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 7:14 PM

  27. "I do not judge other people by a legal divorce that was accepted by both spouses over twenty years ago. Is this something your preacher has brain washed you with also? Maybe Haggee thinks McCains divorced caused 911 along with gays."
    Posted by: LBH March 12, 2008 6:14 PM

    Remember Hagee is working on his second wife too; so maybe his divorce is as damaging as Gramps McBush's. So are you saying that McBush's cheating on his wife is OK by you because their divorce was accepted by both spouses? That's some fancy dancing there. You seem to be saying that Fornication is OK as long as it ends in a peaceful divorce. Now I know why you voted for a Liberal President (Bush). You have rather liberal ideas on free love and marriage.

    You did say that Spitzer ruined his family's lives by cheating on his wife. If he and his wife settle on an amicable divorce, is he A-OK like Gramps McBush? Or is he still a shitty husband like McBush?

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 7:37 PM

  28. Federal Budget Deficit Swells on Record Spending

    Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:11 PM

    WASHINGTON -- The Treasury Department says the federal deficit swelled to $263.3 billion in the first five months of this budget year as record spending during the period outpaced record revenues.

    The department's latest snapshot of the government's balance sheets, released Wednesday, shows that the deficit for the budget year that began Oct. 1 was up a whopping 62 percent from the red ink of $162.2 billion for the corresponding five-month period last year.


    The latest year-to-date budget deficit of $263.3 billion was an all-time high, the government said.

    Spending totaled a record $1.23 trillion, while revenues totaled $967.2 billion, also an all-time high.

    For the month of February alone, the government ran a deficit of $175.6 billion, a record for any single month. That was larger than the shortfall of around $170 billion that economists were expecting.
    ~~~~~~~~~

    Pandes new Democratic Congress doing the will of the people~ spending more now than the Republicans did, how refreshing!

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 7:39 PM

  29. "Also, you said I was making excuses for Spitzer. That's a complete lie. You need to learn to read for content and to get past deceptive headlines."
    Posted by Me

    "I know you like to think that all my posts are about you my little cornnut ( gets you all excited, I know) but that was addressed to your buddy Neil and Capt~~"
    Posted by: LBH March 12, 2008 6:18 PM

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because that's the kind of good-hearted, fun-loving Texican I am. Maybe you INTENDED to address that comment to somebody else, but click here and scroll down all the way to the last two comments and this is what you'll see:

    "Dude,
    "I see why Capt thinks your such a funny little Cornnut~ all that BS coming from your mouth cracks me up too!"
    Posted by: LBH March 11, 2008 11:30 AM

    "I kind of had the feeling yesterday that you would come out making excuses for your guy Spitzer today Pande."
    "Sad, very, very sad!"
    Posted by: LBH March 11, 2008 11:36 AM

    The post right above that is addressed to me and the comments I made, too. I guess when you wrote "Pande," you were so blind with rage that you meant to write "Neil;" but you wrote Pande out of habit. All of my biggest fans make that mistake.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 7:49 PM

  30. Come on,

    McCain didn't break any laws when he divorced his wife and if you want to use that then 70% of Dems should resign right now.

    If someone wants a divorce it's none of my business which is why I don't care if Obama did have gay sex with a drugy.

    Spitzer ruined his family cuz he broke the law, hell his wife is ok with him being a pedophile and would stay married as long as he let her have a credit card. If he wasn't such a dumb ass democrat he wouldn't be in the postion he's in now.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:24 PM

  31. The post right above that is addressed to me and the comments I made, too. I guess when you wrote "Pande,"

    ~~~

    Dude, you're so obsessed with me, I'm creeped out now!

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:27 PM

  32. Yo Pande,

    Got a news flash for ya~ Spitzer resigned in shame today, dude~ guess I was right and you were wrong but whos keeping score anyway, Oh wait you are! Ha ha ha!

    Now go home and spend some time with the kids instead of obsessing on me.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:30 PM

  33. Remember Hagee is working on his second wife too; so maybe his divorce is as damaging as Gramps McBush's.

    ~~~

    No, I'm sure his first wife got the rolls royce, beach front property and lear jet for holiday travels from all that tax free money given freely by pande and friends.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:33 PM

  34. I'm a little rusty so forgive me...

    There once was Preacher named Hagee
    Whose preached to his flock on the TV
    He hated the Pope
    He hated the Jews
    But saved most of his hate for the Gays

    There once was man named McCain
    What he wanted you all can guess
    The Lobbyists came
    Preaching power and fame
    So he brought them on board the Straight Talk Express

    Posted by: flan Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:55 PM

  35. Ay, Dios Mio, LBH is off his meds again. Coherence was never his strong suit, those mood swings he's having are getting the best of him. Maybe this'll cheer him up. Here ya' go:

    "Congressional delegations from both states met on Capitol Hill to find a way to make their delegates count even if it means taking legal action. In short, this election could come down to a lawsuit involving Florida. How precedented. How absolutely heard of. And, you know, Florida, I kind of expect that from you, because God forbid we have something nice that you don't fuck up for us. But Michigan? I guess I expected a little more maturity from you."
    --Jon Stewart

    "Meanwhile, on the Republican side, yesterday John McCain visited President George W. Bush to be passed the torch, a torch that the president most likely broke and crazy glued back together hoping no one would notice."
    --Jon Stewart

    "On the eve of Tuesday's primary victories, a defiant Hillary Clinton said, 'I'm just getting warmed up.' Which begs the question, 'Hey, Hillary, how are you gonna be ready on day one if it takes you 31 primaries to get warmed up.'"
    --Seth Meyers

    "A voluntary adviser to Barack Obama resigned Friday after calling rival Hillary Clinton a 'monster.' Responded, Hillary: 'Aaaaaarghhh.'"
    --Amy Poehler

    "President Bush said Thursday that he would probably accept foreign donations to build his presidential library in Dallas, and would keep donor's names confidential if they do not want to be identified, and yet... STILL nothing."
    --Amy Poehler

    Amy Poehler: "After securing the Republican presidential nomination on Tuesday, John McCain addressed his supporters, saying, 'Stand up with me, my friends. Stand up and fight for America.' To which supporters responded,"
    on screeen: picture of elderly people in wheelchairs
    Poehler: "We can't'


    "The big story this week is the Democrats. Hillary got her groove back. I don't know if you saw this but on Tuesday there were four primaries and she beat the Arab guy three to one. I only know what I see in the paper. And she did it the old fashioned way, by building a coalition of women, Latinos and blue-collar white men, and scaring the shit out of them."
    --Bill Maher

    "Apparently negative is the new positive. Now the media is trying to goad Barack Obama into taking the gloves off. And I'm not so sure this strategy is any good, you know, having a young black man attack a 60-year-old white lady? She loves to play the victim. She's already got a new slogan, 'Hillary Clinton: Please, just take my purse and leave me alone.'"
    --Bill Maher

    "But it's interesting, this race is so even that each side could make the case that they should be the nominee, and neither one of them is going anywhere. Which, I think it's a bad sign for the country, when the Democratic campaign is predicted to last longer than the Republican nominee."
    --Bill Maher

    "Hillary's been going around saying, 'I've been tested.' John McCain also said, 'I've been tested, and luckily the tests came back negative... knock on wood.'"
    --Bill Maher

    "But congratulations to John McCain, he wrapped up the Republican nomination this week. And we know this is official now because Mike Huckabee dropped out and said he was joining forces with John McCain. Oh, great, you've got one guy who doesn't believe in evolution, and another guy who remembers it."
    --Bill Maher

    "Also eliminated last night, Congressman Ron Paul, of Texas, says he's winding down his presidential campaign. His supporter is devastated. Ron says he's looking forward, though, to spending more time with his wife Mrs. Paul, and her delicious pre-packaged seafood products."
    --Jimmy Kimmel

    "Here's some great news, today they found the source of all global warming in America -- New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's pants."
    --Jay Leno

    "So you gotta be fair. It's not good, some of these girls charged the governor up to $5,000 an hour. And when he heard that, today Sen. Larry Craig said, 'I would've done the guy for free -- This is more government waste. We can take care of these problems internally.'"
    --Jay Leno

    "Big news, of course, this Friday, President Bush is going to be in New York City to give a speech on the U.S. economy. Speech is made up of only two words -- IT BLOWS."
    --Conan O'Brien

    "Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain all claim that they should be the person to answer the phone at the White House if it rings at 3 a.m. ... Meanwhile, most Americans think the White House should just get a receptionist."
    --Conan O'Brien

    "John McCain just announced that later this month he might take a trip to Iraq. ... Which might be a bad idea, because the last time McCain went to a war zone we didn't hear from him for five years."
    --Conan O'Brien

    "Tonight, Hillary Clinton says the states she's won are bigger than Obama's. I say it's not the size that counts but whether it's shaped like Florida."
    --Stephen Colbert

    "I want to make one thing perfectly clear, okay folks, Gov. Spitzer is a friend of the show. That never changes. I've sat next to the guy three times and I didn't pick up on any of this, and I usually have excellent Whore-dar."
    --Stephen Colbert

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 8:59 PM

  36. While the GOP sleepwalks through the Democratic Presidential primaries, they had Denny Hastert's old seat stolen right from under their fat, corrupt arses. When the GOP had the chance to do the same in a special election to replace a democrat in a dem-leaning district. They got skunked by the Dems again.

    Carson’s Special Election Win Keeps Indy Seat in Democrats’ Hands

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 9:43 PM

  37. Have you seen this list? That is one long ass list of scandalous Republicans. And this is just the list of sex scandals. This doesn't take into account the ethics violators, the bribe-takers, the traitors and thieves. Plus, that list doesn't seem to go very far back. As old as Gramps McCain is, we might have to look to cave paintings to find info on his misdeeds. Who knew Arnold has sex with a 16 year old before he joined the GOP. Fits right in, eh?

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 9:49 PM

  38. I found LBH's soul mate. He calls himself Ace of Spades. These is what he has to say about the Spitzer-Vitter controversy (via Sadly, No!):

    FoxNews Breaking: R E S I G N I NG ! ! !
    UNDER INDICTMENT?!
    NYT: NY GOV. ELLIOT SPITZER “HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN” PROSTITUTION RING
    Update: “Empeeror’s Club” Brothel, Five Fucking Grand A Pop!
    Well hellllloooo, nurse!

    Back when the Vitter diaper-momma news hit the fan, this was his take:

    Who Gives A Rat’s Ass: Sen. David Vitter Implicated In DC Madam’s Phone Records, Apologies For Error In His Past
    Eh. The only thing that will ruin you is being caught with a dead girl or live boy.

    No one’s claiming the escorts are dead.

    Ergo, I don’t care.

    Then he tries to cover his tracks like LBH:

    I know what the liberals are asking: Why is [Spitzer] such a big deal, and Sen. David Vitter’s previous experience with call girls isn’t?

    Shut up, that’s why.

    Funny how they all think alike.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 9:59 PM

  39. tags are fun. Here's the scandal list that I couldn't get to work earlier.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 12, 2008 10:02 PM

  40. John McSame and the Double Talk Express regarding John Hagee:

    “I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position. I hope that maybe you’d give him a chance to respond. He says he has never been anti-Catholic, but I repudiate the words that create that impression.”

    ""There are plenty of staunch evangelical leaders who are pro-Israel, but are not anti-Catholic. John Hagee is not one of them. Indeed, for the past few decades, he has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church. For example, he likes calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system' . . . . “

    - Catholic League president Bill Donohue


    "Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."

    -John Hagee

    "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God [Katrina] for that.”

    -John Hagee

    Posted by: Neil Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 2:39 AM

  41. Great to have you back Pande. Missed you.

    Posted by: Neil Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 2:39 AM

  42. Fun. Fun. Fun. I forgot how much fun this was! Feels good to be back, Neil! Thanks.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 7:09 AM

  43. Mr. Corn,
    There was a recommended diary on DKos that examined the same exit polls which you examined.

    Given the higher number of Republicans voting in each of the Dem. primaries since the Republican nomination was wrapped up, and given the fact that Republicans view Ms. Clinton as lying, calculating and "nasty," it's not Dems that want a dishonest nasty candidate. It's just that the Republicans that are crossing over to select HRC over Obama (and thus make it easier to win in the general election) view her as such (nasty & dishonest).

    Here's the statistical analysis including an explanation of the methodology.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 7:16 AM

  44. So just to be perfectly clear. LBH doesn't dispute that Gramps McCain started his relationship with Cindy Homewrecker almost a year before he got a divorce. He spins it away as A-OK because he didn't break any laws. LBH finds it distasteful that John Hagee is a gay-hating Catholic-basher; but is fine with the fact that his candidate won't reject this hatemonger's support in the election. He hypocritically doesn't care to hold his candidate to the same ethical level as any other candidate. He doesn't care about a drug adict who has recently been released from a mental instituion making absurd claims about Obama; but he has to repeatedly copy and paste that nonsense on this blog. He can find no other criticism to repeat of Obama except Rezko, Rezko, Rezko and every article that he copies and pastes here has a statement making it clear that Obama has not been implicated in any wrongdoing.

    Fine. As long as we're clear.

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 7:23 AM

  45. "Hows his lead with the hispanics bro? You're like in the minority of a minority group"
    Posted by: LBH March 12, 2008 7:14 PM

    Nope, I'm a minority in the majority. More people want Obama than either Gramps McBush or HRC. When the general election comes around, hispanics will rally around Obama just like they will around every other Dem candidate. The GOP made sure of that. The GOP= Dead. Man. Walking

    Federal Budget Deficit Swells on Record Spending
    Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:11 PM
    --
    "Pandes new Democratic Congress doing the will of the people~ spending more now than the Republicans did, how refreshing!"
    Posted by: LBH March 12, 2008 7:39 PM

    "One of the reasons the deficit was running higher was related to a calendar issue, the Congressional Budget Office said. Because March 1 fell on weekend, payments that the government would ordinarily have made in March were instead made at the end of February. That caused spending to be higher in February, contributing to the larger budget deficit."

    "The White House predicts that the deficit this year will increase to $410 billion, as the economic slowdown cuts into tax revenues. Many analysts predict economic growth will be feeble in the January-to-March quarter; a growing number believe the economy is actually shrinking now. Under one rough rule, the economy would need to contract for six straight months to be considered in a recession"

    From the Washington post.

    Add on the 210+ Billion for the idiotic war of choice in Iraq sold on lies and lining the pockets of Cheney and his friends with $$$$. Add on the 160 Billion to fix the economy that Bush has destroyed and the deficit is now Bush's deficit.


    "Spitzer resigned in shame today, dude~ guess I was right and you were wrong but whos keeping score anyway, Oh wait you are! Ha ha ha!"
    Posted by: LBH March 12, 2008 8:30 PM

    I was wrong about what?

    Posted by: Pandemoniac Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 7:29 AM

  46. What can one do with a troll that thinks a persons religion or their kids are a necessary part of political discussion? Comments about diapers? Comments about what church a person attends? Personal attacks, Ad Hominem and blather does nothing to elevate the discussion nor does it make a point.

    "I was wrong about what?"

    Nothing,

    What has the troll been right about? Nothing.


    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 9:48 AM

  47. Of course the troll would likely call that a draw, eh?

    lololololololo

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 9:51 AM

  48. Countdown Special Comment: Sen. Clinton, “This is not a campaign strategy. This is a suicide pact.”


    Senator, as it has reached its apex in their tone-deaf, arrogant, and insensitive reaction to the remarks of Geraldine Ferraro… your own advisers are slowly killing your chances to become President.

    Senator, their words, and your own, are now slowly killing the chances for any Democrat to become President.

    In your tepid response to this Ferraro disaster, you may sincerely think you are disenthralling an enchanted media, and righting an unfair advance bestowed on Senator Obama.

    You may think the matter has closed with Representative Ferraro’s bitter, almost threatening resignation.

    But in fact, Senator, you are now campaigning, as if Barack Obama were the Democrat, and you… were the Republican.

    *****

    Keith has knocked another one out of the park. A “Do not miss”.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 10:17 AM

  49. Pew Poll Finds Americans Unsure of Iraq Death Toll


    WASHINGTON Fewer people know how many U.S. troops have died in the war in Iraq, a poll showed Wednesday.

    Only 28 percent correctly said that about 4,000 Americans have died in the war, according to a survey by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.

    That’s down from last August, when 54 percent gave the accurate casualty figure, which was about 3,500 dead at the time. In previous Pew surveys dating to 2004, about half have correctly given the rough figure for the approximate number of deaths at the time.

    *****

    If the M$M were doing their job people would at least know how many troops have died .


    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 11:10 AM

  50. Pew Poll Finds Americans Unsure of Iraq Death Toll


    WASHINGTON Fewer people know how many U.S. troops have died in the war in Iraq, a poll showed Wednesday.

    Only 28 percent correctly said that about 4,000 Americans have died in the war, according to a survey by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.

    That’s down from last August, when 54 percent gave the accurate casualty figure, which was about 3,500 dead at the time. In previous Pew surveys dating to 2004, about half have correctly given the rough figure for the approximate number of deaths at the time.

    *****

    If the M$M were doing their job people would at least know how many troops have died .


    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 11:12 AM

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