David Corn

DC,

I had to use to mute switch when Earl was talking.

The fact that you saw it too and are calling him on it is GREAT!

Thanks for all of your work.

What a refreshing 24 hours. Just as the racially unaware right thought they had Obama on a boat back to Africa he comes out and nails it. O'Reilly and the den of Fox won't get it. Hillary will pretend to ignore it. McCain will probably acknowledge it. The rest of us heard what he had to say.

The relentless attack on Obama for the church he attends was one of the most racist displays I have witnessed in my life. We are a nation of rednecks and Indians, and now that the Indians are all but gone, who's next?

40 year anniversary of the Chicago Democratic Convention. The Republicans have chosen Minneapolis-St Paul. How appropriate for John McCain to get the nomination there. He can change the name of the city in each speech and claim he never flipped positions.

I was at Chicago then, and I hope to go ST Paul.

The real problem with America is the failure to admit the Rev. Wright said nothing that wasn't true. I can't sing God Bless America, but I do pray for forgiveness for being an American.

Huckabee comments on Obama & the Rev. Wright flap

Mike Huckabee makes some surprising comments on the Reverend Wright flap on Morning Joe.

*****

Huckabee might be concerned some of his sermons might be on video?

He is right about the issue just the same.

On Thursday [ make that Tuesday] night, I appeared on PBS's Newshour, as part of a panel, to discuss Barack Obama's speech on race.

I thought your thesis on the NewsHour was excellent. I thought Hutchinson was wrong and I'm glad you spent the time today to analyze his thesis and take issue where you have.

I must say, you showed great restraint on the show. Better to spend the time advancing your take than refuting his.

Well done.

I don't think its unpatriotic to disagree with a foriegn policy, such as ours in Iraq, or to be angry about racism from either side black or white.

I alwys thought huckabee was appealing to the Gomer Pyle crowd but I'll have to listen to what he said on Morning Joe.

Do you think the Hannity, Limbaughs, O'Reillys, Rove, and RNC give one flip about their conservative candidate Huckabee has to say? No, for them, It's pursue the politics of destruction.

I don't like it when people on television say things that are not accurate.
--David Corn

This is my qualm with the likes of LBH. This is why I dig at him and point out that the GOP is Dead Man Walking. They traffic in lies and half-truths and expect to be taken seriously.

This is part of the copy and paste jobbie that LBH did yesterday. He copied and pasted only the first part (the only damning part), you can read the rest at Polito.com. The part that LBH didn't copy and paste had some very nice things to say about The Speech.

What Obamas (sic) speech didn't cover (LBH's title, obvious from the unconventional orthography)
Roger Simon - Politico

But, for the first time, Obama admitted what he previously had denied: that he was present when Wright had made some of his outrageous comments.

"“Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church?” Obama said. “Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”"

"Obama did not say, however, that he had ever expressed his disagreement to Wright or in any way attempted to get Wright to moderate or change his views."

"Instead, Obama said Wright was “more than snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and YouTube.”"

"Wow! Obama admits to lying and you Cornnuts missed it?"
Posted by: LBH March 18, 2008 6:38 PM

When Obama was interviewed on FauxNews he answered those questions exactly. The fact that a hack like Roger Simon would say something so patently false and get away with it only makes sense when you take the Koolaid Enema Factor into account. The fact that LBH points out the one thing that turns out to be a lie (by Roger Simon) tells you all you need to know about the DMW party. Don't bother them with facts.

Here's the thing about McCain's mistake and let's be clear it was a mistake he repeated it three times in one day. It's a mistake and a lack of understanding. This is a man who has staked his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON IRAQ.

This is a man who thinks it's OK for us to leave a troop presence in Iraq for 100 years. He thinks that Iraq is the central struggle of our day. He thinks that all of our other interests should be subverted to sticking it out in Iraq. He is running on his foreign policy experience. Yet he doesn't even understand who we are fighting.

Is this the person we want answering the phone at 3 in the morning? This fundamental misunderstanding makes you wonder if he is qualified to be commander and chief. It's quite frankly stunning.

This is why the DMW party won't be able to find its way out of the darkness. A hint of things to come could be found in the loss of Denny Hastert's congressional seat. As the economy worsens over the next 6 months. Americans will be looking for a cure to the DMW party's failures:

Poll: 71 percent think Iraq spending hurts economy

Key findings:
"The weekend poll, timed to coincide with the Iraq war's fifth anniversary, also showed little U.S. support for the conflict. Fewer than one in three respondents -- 32 percent -- said they support the war, while 66 percent said they oppose it."

"Sixty-one percent of those polled said the next president should remove most U.S. troops from Iraq "within a few months of taking office."

"Only 36 percent of those polled said the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over -- down from 68 percent in March 2003, when the war began."

Gramps McBush can tie Mr. 20% to his future and kiss it Goodbye.

The problem with those that replace thinking with believing is:

"The believing mind is externally impervious to evidence. The most that can be accomplished with it is to induce it to substitute one delusion for another. It rejects all overt evidence as wicked..."

H L Mencken

Facts require thinking so they are also hard work for those that only believe something is true without regard for facts or reality.

More bad news for Gramps McBush and the Dead Man Walking party.

Poll: Three-quarters think U.S. in recession

"Nearly three-quarters of all Americans think the economy is in a recession, according to a national poll released Monday."

"Seventy-four percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey say the economy has entered a recession."

"That figure is up from 66 percent who felt that way in a similar survey last month. The number stood at 61 percent in January and 46 percent in October."

Yeah, the economy might distract voters from the economy that Mr. 20% drove into the ditch. But then again.... Maybe not:

"Forty-two percent of those polled say the economy is the biggest issue on their minds, nearly double the amount who felt that way in October, the last time Iraq topped the list as the most important issue," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director. "

Okay, well maybe there's some other issues that can save the GOP (like say.... the deranged words of Obama's pastor). Uhm, No:

"Iraq ranks as the second most important issue, at 21 percent, followed by health care at 18 percent, terrorism at 10 percent and immigration at 7 percent. "

Well, there you have it. Gramps McBush is sooooo scrood as long as he campaigns as a member of the DMW party.

Chicagoans: Reports Misrepresent Obama's Church
[Listen 4 mins]

The problem with those that replace thinking with believing is:

"The believing mind is externally impervious to evidence. The most that can be accomplished with it is to induce it to substitute one delusion for another. It rejects all overt evidence as wicked..."

H L Mencken

Facts require thinking so they are also hard work for those that only believe something is true without regard for facts or reality.

Oop's the posting is funky for me today, didn't mean to double talk.

"The real problem with America is the failure to admit the Rev. Wright said nothing that wasn't true. I can't sing God Bless America, but I do pray for forgiveness for being an American."

So, you disagree with Senator Obama when he repudiated these statements?

So, you believe America intentionally and nefariously gave AIDS to blacks?

So, you believe that America is as bad as Al Qaeda?

So, you believe 9/11 was payback for our bad acts?

There is a difference between Reverend Wright and goofy things being said by other goofy ministers, rabbis and priests. These people might hold radically different views from yours on certain subjects, but these are usually honest different policy differences. These people don't usually spew forth the animus exhibited by Reverend Wright. And if they do, they should be shunned as Reverend Wright should have been shunned.

I would ask some of you to read the literature on black liberation theology. It is truly horrific. It reads like the rantings of radical Islam. Don't just disagree. Don't just hate the act. Hate this person. Hate that person. Islam is the only way.

The main thing is that Senator Obama is still embroiled in this matter. If he wants to save not only his aspirations for the nomination but his victory in the general election, I believe he will have to give a better explanation, or a better repudiation than he has so far. If he can repudiate (rightfully, I think) Minister Farrakhan, why can't he repudiate Reverend Wright?

Tom

So McSame should ditch Rod Parsley, eh?

How 'bout Hagee?

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:

I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

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And those comments are?

A Closer Look at Black Liberation Theology
by Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR

[Listen 4 mins]

Lieberman and McCain in Amman Jordan - PHOTO

Tom, if you haven't, follow Capt's link and read the conversation after the report on Huckabee's comments. They make some good points about how every group has different conspiracy theories they fall for because of their different backgrounds. Even though the "government created AIDS to kill blacks" rightfully sounds rediculous to you, there were very real things that affected the black community to make people think such things are plausible.

Want to see Corn on the NewsHour Tuesday?

It's here

Tuskeegee ring a bell?

Tom, if you haven't, follow Capt's link...."
Posted by: eyes_open March 19, 2008 3:38 PM

Good luck with that one. Tom hasn't spent more than a few minutes watching FauxNews; but he's ready to declare Wright (not his ministry) a vile product of Black Liberation Theology. He's never been to TUCC; but he knows that whatever goes on in there is anathema to every value America holds dear. Typical.

How long have Liberals been derided as being "blame America first" activists because we dare to criticise the government and the policies that have lead to the economic and social crises that we currently face?

Now look at what the DMW party has become, "blame AmericaNs first." Never mind their ministry, their heroic service in the armed forces, their work to help ease the plight of the poor and hungry, never mind the time spent ministering to those dying with aids. These Zombies blinded by hate don't have time to get the facts, they only need to be told how to hate, when to hate, and to call J. Wright a vile, vile man.

And then they wonder why their party has bled the support of minorities and women. They have become the party of rich, white, old men, and there just aren't enough of those to win elections these days. There just ain't enough Zombie Chow to go around.

Capt and Neil, which browser are you guys using? I started off with firefox-netscape. I had trouble getting a fresh layout and seeing new posts here on the Cornblog.

Mozilla has the capability to run the IE engine so I set it (the Cornblog) to display like Internet Explorer. That was better than straightup firefox. Whenever I run Internet Explorer itself, I have even fewer problems; but with all the malicious worms and bugs out on the internets, I refuse to use IE except as a last resort.

BTW, thanks for the link to the Newshour, Neil. And Capt, was that you that linked the SNL snippets? I showed them to Mrs. Pandemoniac last night and she had a good laugh. She's a big fan of Tina Fey.

Gramps McBush can tie Mr. 20% to his future and kiss it Goodbye.
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The true statement should read: Obamasama can tie to his future Mr. 8% Pastor and kiss it goodbye!

He he he
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Obama is sinking quicker than quicksand, down in PA, down nationally against Hillary and McCain
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Obama's lead over Clinton narrows:

Reuters poll
Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:35pm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

Illinois Sen. Obama, who would be America's first black president, has been buffeted by attacks in recent weeks from New York Sen. Clinton over his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief and by a tempest over racially charged sermons given by his Chicago preacher.

The poll showed Arizona Sen. McCain, who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, is benefiting from the lengthy campaign battle between Obama and Clinton, who are now battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22.

McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

"The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February.

"It's not surprising to me that McCain's on top because there is disarray and confusion on the Democratic side," Zogby said

Good luck with that one. Tom hasn't spent more than a few minutes watching FauxNews; but he's ready to declare Wright (not his ministry) a vile product of Black Liberation Theology.

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I declare Wright and his ministry a vile product of Black Liberation Theology as well as the link on Obamas web site to the Black Panthers endorsement. The new minister is preaching the same vile that Wright did and praises Wright for his teachings unlike Obamas flip flop.

Obama is toast~~~~

It must suck to be Obamas white granny after he trashed her in his speech yesterday-Nice!

And why is his black granny still living in a hut in Africa when Obama lives in a mansion?

Some family values going on there~~~

"So McSame should ditch Rod Parsley, eh?

How 'bout Hagee?"

First, the answer to both questions is a resounding "yes". Goose and gander stuff.

Second, however, there is a distinct difference. While I consider the comments of both to be highly offensive, they are not off the charts like Reverend Wright. Also, neither of these two bigots has been the pastor of Senator McCain for twenty-three years.

Tom

So McSame should ditch Rod Parsley, eh?

How 'bout Hagee?
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When did McCain start going to Pandes church?

When did McCain have his kids baptised by Pandes church?

When did MCain write a book inspired by Pandes preacher?

When did McCain give 10% of his income to Pandes church?

When did McCain get married by Pandes preacher?
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And this is the same as Obama and his spiritual guru how?

He's never been to TUCC; but he knows that whatever goes on in there is anathema to every value America holds dear. Typical.

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This wouldn't be an issue right now and Obama groupies would've just hid the truth from the American public until he won except the idiot pastor sold live versions of his sermons to indoctrinate more black liberation wannabees like silly cornnuts.

Then Obama had to go and lie about not knowing about his hateful sermons only to recant afterwards. Just another typical politician that has fooled the Cornnut masses.

"Good luck with that one. Tom hasn't spent more than a few minutes watching FauxNews; but he's ready to declare Wright (not his ministry) a vile product of Black Liberation Theology."

From The Asia Times Online:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html
"One of the strangest dialogues in American political history ensued on March 15 when Fox News interviewed Obama's pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, of Chicago's Trinity Church. Wright asserted the authority of the 'black liberation' theologians James Cone and Dwight Hopkins:

Wright: How many of Cone's books have you read? How many of Cone's book have you read?

Sean Hannity: Reverend, Reverend?

(crosstalk)

Wright: How many books of Cone's have you head?

Hannity: I'm going to ask you this question ...

Wright: How many books of Dwight Hopkins have you read?

Hannity: You're very angry and defensive. I'm just trying to ask a question here.

Wright: You haven't answered - you haven't answered my question.

Hopkins is a full professor at the University of Chicago's Divinity School; Cone is now distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary. They promote a 'black power' reading of Christianity, to which liberal academic establishment condescends.

Obama referred to this when he asserted in a March 14 statement, 'I knew Reverend Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago.'"

I didn't say Reverend Wright was a vile product of black liberation theology; he and Senator Obama said it.

One other thing. There is enough substance here to debate without descending to comments like, "Tom hasn't spent more than a few minutes watching FauxNews". Such comments debase and demean not the recipient, but both the sender and his/her positions.

By the way - you're right. I haven't spent more than a few minutes watching Fox News. I spend most of my time at MSNBC and CNN, when I'm watching TV at all.

The White Preacher Double Standard: How Hagee, Parsley and the Rest Get Away with Everything

Rudy Giuliani's priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of molesting several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani would not disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him.

Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as equals and actively discriminated against them. He stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they were finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with civil rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now. He said he was proud of the faith of his fathers.

Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement.

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore." He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" brought down from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.

John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's? You guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's not racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these preachers, then what is it?

******

All that hate is just fine - as long as you are a white guy.

Fair enough! We'll have to see if all the white guys can get together on this. Maybe they can get someone elected to office on that platform. No hope, just more hate, more wars, more of the same.

Wait a minute - McSame - I never meant that as a compliment but hey - some people do like that crud.

HA!

(using MSN on IE)

Let's all stroll down memory lane....

"We have all sat in places of worship and disagreed with the speakers. The unanswered question, in Senator Obama's case, is how he endured for twenty years with the unyielding, unrelenting, unmitigated hatred spewed by this truly vile man. At what point must a parishioner simply get up and walk out forever?
We have always been taught to hate the sin but love the sinner. "
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 11:00 AM

What a lawyerly reply and I don't mean that as a compliment. You didn't say that he was a "vile product of Black Liberation Theology." You simply called him a truly vile man. Not his ministry. Not his theology. You attacked him personally. Judging from your statement, you were instructed on the importance of "hating the sin" while "loving the sinner." Like many on the "conservative" side of the political spectrum, that dictum fell on deaf ears.

And your newest answers are revealing (in more ways than one). But my question remains, how many years did you endure at TUCC. And at what point did you walk out?

What exactly qualifies you to call his ministry "twenty years with the unyielding, unrelenting, unmitigated hatred?"

And you needn't take the reference to FauxNews as an insult, unless you have spent enough time at TUCC to develop an informed opinion. Spouting half-truths in the manner of FauxNews only sets you up for that fall.

I saw the same thing on The News Hour. As soon as Hutchinson began talking, it was clear he didn't witness the Obama speech with anything other than how can this be spun to the advantage of Clinton. When will the "public" broadcasting system stop trying to push every point of view in a vain attempt to remain fair and balanced. The Hillary spin-mongers are desperately trying to hold on to the status quo. They may just manage to do it as the piling on continues.

Pandemoniac,

I'm using IE 7 and McAfee to protect against rogue scripts, works, viruses and trjoan horses. I was actually on a webite whent McAfee told me it was interceptine a malicious script, named it and everything. Bad actor that website, it kept taossing different scripts at me.

By the way - you're right. I haven't spent more than a few minutes watching Fox News. I spend most of my time at MSNBC and CNN, when I'm watching TV at all.
Posted by: Tomcantu | March 19, 2008 5:24 PM

Did you listen to Barack's speech, the whole speech? How about NPR's story on Black Liberation Theology? Links above.

"And why is his black granny still living in a hut in Africa when Obama lives in a mansion?
Some family values going on there~~~"
Posted by: LBH | March 19, 2008 4:51 PM

The hate-monger strikes again. Have you read anything other than REZCO about Obama? Do you know ANYTHING about Obama's family? You don't understand the scary brown people or their ways so you have to put them down. Hate is all the DMW party has. This is a blip in the political news cycle. Just as when Obama's poll numbers dipped when he lost in New Hampshire and when the Canadian Government tried to smear his campaign with lies, he recovered and came back stronger than before. America's business needs taking care of. Hating Obama's pastor doesn't get anything on the American Agenda resolved.

(With the exception of the far white wings of Dingbatlandia), the country is soooo tired of smears and hate. They are more worried about the economy, Iraq, and health care (in that order). The DMW party has no new ideas (at least none that Americans have any interest in) and are being represented by Gramps McBush. He has given them no reason to believe that he can do anything than answer a phone and tell whoever's on the other side that Shias train Sunnis to kill in Iraq. And you guys fall for it every time

Captain,

You seem to be arguing that two wrongs make a right.

All of those people should be denounced for the comments they made. And entire religions make stupid pronouncements. I remember it wasn't until about 1975 in Catholicism that a papal bull was issued exonerating every Jew since Abraham for the death of Christ, which had been doctrine until then. Now the Catholics "only" blame all the Sanhedrin living at the time of Christ. (One only wonders when the Church will go back to the custom that was in existence for the first 1100 years of the Church - allowing married priests and driving out all the pedophiles.)

But there are several major differences. One, none of these these people has been the pastor for twenty three years of the leading candidate for the Presidency.

Second, none of them spew the venom and vitriol like Reverend Wright. Life is perception. For instance, while Hagee may be completely stupid, he does not come across as threatening as does Reverend Wright.

I ask you to put a white face on Reverned Wright, and have him saying the same thing in the same tone about blacks. It would be worse than the KKK.

No, just pointing out hypocrisy.

Pretty simple concept.

Give the polls a few days to reflect whether people understood what Obama was saying.

Up or down - Either way - he is the democratic nominee - he has already won that much.

Maybe the things Barack says have more to do what he thinks than the things others have said.

I think the Reich-wingnuttia is running scared - trying now to tear BHO down with BS and feigned stupidity.

Maybe it will work.

Give the polls a few days to reflect whether people understood what Obama was saying.

Up or down - Either way - he is the democratic nominee - he has already won that much.

Maybe the things Barack says have more to do what he thinks than the things others have said.

I think the Reich-wingnuttia is running scared - trying now to tear BHO down with BS and feigned stupidity.

Maybe it will work.

Here is a hint - you can't just change one color to another, that is what BHO was saying. Trying to equate words and deeds by pretending the color is the issue misses the point of the history and how we got here.

I think BHO's speech was too intellectual for any of the binary thinkers.

Some people will never get it.

NBD

No coincidence the same people that cannot understand the race issue also think Bush never lied?

"Coincidence doesn't just happen"

~ Homer J Simpson

We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. ...

Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.”

Shouldn't we try to understand that message and use it to grow? If we don't, what divides us might bring us down.

*****

The fact is Barack has reason to stand by Wright - as they are like family. SO that brings us back to McSame - he stands by his endorsers because he wants their collective voting blocks.

The courage to address all the issues BHO spoke to was risky and will either hurt him or help him.

The cowardly McSame is just another spineless politician wiling to say anything and do anything to get that power.

Do you know ANYTHING about Obama's family?

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I do now thanks to Obamas pastor Rev Wright, his best buddy slum lord Rezco and his bro from the Black Panthers.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore." He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" brought down from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.

John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's? You guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's not racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these preachers, then what is it?

I'm willing to listen to other possible explanations. And I am inclined to believe that the people these preachers go after are more important than the race of the preacher. It's one thing to go after gays, liberals and Muslims - that seems to be perfectly acceptable in America - it's another to accuse white folks of not living up to their ideals.

If Rev. Wright had preached about discriminating against gay Americans or Muslims, there probably would not have been any outcry at all. That falls into the category of "respect their hateful opinions because they cloak themselves in the church."

But one thing is indisputable - the enormous disparity in how the media has covered these white preachers as opposed to Rev. Wright. Have you ever even heard of Rod Parsley? As you can see from what I listed above, all of these white preachers have said and done the most outlandish and offensive things you can imagine - and hardly a peep.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?

The fact is Barack has reason to stand by Wright - as they are like family. SO that brings us back to McSame - he stands by his endorsers because he wants their collective voting blocks.

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Obama is standing by his pastor for the same reason. Collective black voting block. At least McCain isn't lying about it like Obama.

"What exactly qualifies you to call his ministry 'twenty years with the unyielding, unrelenting, unmitigated hatred?'"
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TUCC has released these rantings on DVD's. These are not purloined "snippets" of an otherwise rational man. One would assume that, since TUCC sells these DVD's from Reverend Wright, they represent the overall views not only of Reverend Wright but also of TUCC. Perhaps you have seen a disclaimer I have not.

Is it possible for anyone to watch even one of these tapes and not consider it to be the rantings of a mad man? Hate for America. Hate for the white man. Hate for success.

For God's sake, this is a man who praises Farrakhan, even gave him a medal. This is a man who visits Castro and Ghadaffi in 1984. He doesn't visit England or Israel. He visits Libya after the Pan Am bombings.

Now, why would Reverend Wright associate with all these America haters? Perhaps he was trying to convert them? I think not.

No, he was - and is - a fellow traveler. A rank hater of the worst kind.

No coincidence the same people that cannot understand the race issue
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What makes you an expert? Are you African American? Do you have African American relatives? Or is it white guilt that makes you an expert?

The courage to address all the issues BHO spoke to was risky and will either hurt him or help him.

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There was nothing couragous about it.

He only gave the speech after getting caught attending a racist church.

He's sinking in the polls and had to give the speech to try and stop the bleeding.

He would have been couragous if he had given this speech a year ago, maybe.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?

The black electorate represents about 12%.

If that is all the support Barack has why are you so scared he is going to walk all over McSame?

The fear is palpable.

DWM party - is right.

Here are some concepts of black liberation theology from H. Wayne House, one of the leading proponents of the subject.

"As stated before, black theology is not interested in Western discussions about God. Black theologians believe the questions about God's essence and attributes are fruitless. Instead, they are concerned about discovering a God who will involve Himself in the black experience and deliver them.

Black people have heard enough about God. What they want to know is what God has to say about the black condition. Or, more importantly, what is he doing about it? What is his relevance in the struggle against the forces of evil which seek to destroy black being? These are the questions which must shape the character of the norm of Black Theology.

Christian concepts of God taught to the black man are to be discarded or at least ignored. The arguments about the person of God, the Trinity, His supreme power and authority, as well as subtle indications of God's white maleness, do not relate to (and in some cases are antagonistic to) the black experience. For example, the image of God as all-knowing and all-powerful is too familiar for comfort from a background of slavery, This kind of God is too similar to the white oppressor. Concepts such as God is love' or 'God is freedom' have more meaning for and are more acceptable to the oppressed."

The black man is always the oppressed. More importantly, the white man is always the oppressor. Just another victimhood hustle with slightly better motives.

We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. ...
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So when was the last time Obama reached out to Bush or the Republicans that would resolve division?

Now, let me answer it for you cuz I know you won't - NEVER!

" Are you African American"

The fact that would make a difference to you speaks volumes about how little you understand.

condemnant quod non intellegunt

They have become the party of rich, white, old men, and there just aren't enough of those to win elections these days. There just ain't enough Zombie Chow to go around.
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I see why you like Obamas pastor so much now, You have bought into the hate white american theology that Obamas pastor spews. The problem for you white guy haters is that Obama needs us white guys to win.

"You have bought into the hate white american theology that Obamas pastor spews"

Again, as usual, it is not about what I or someone here bought into - why can't you make a point that is about the issue without trying to tie to people that post here to some odd fabrication you create in your imagination?

Ad hominem is the weakest argument - it shows you lost on the issue.

I don't even know what Obama's pastor spews, I do know it is not what Obama spews.

As you unknowingly pointed out it is Obama running for office not his pastor. So what his pastor says would be his business, no?

Now maybe people care more about what others have said about a million things or a million other people but I'll concern myself with what BHO says.

I will not agree with all he says because that is reality.

Why would it matter what church I or anybody here goes to? Why is that an important consideration to you?

Where do you go to church and why does that matter?

Why are the personal attacks so necessary to you? Can you address anything and avoid diluting everything into "you guys" and or diapers, kids, what church we attend or what we believe?

We are not running for office.

*sigh*

PS if "You have bought into the hate white american theology that Obamas pastor spews" is suppose to be some kind of an insult - ask yourself why insult such good friends? You spend plenty of time here - why be hating?

Poll: Bush's approval hits new low

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Just 31 percent of Americans approve of how President Bush is handling his job, according to a poll released Wednesday, the fifth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.

A new poll out Wednesday finds that 67 percent of those surveyed disapprove of President Bush.

Sixty-seven percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey disapprove of the president's performance.

The 31 percent approval number is a new low for Bush in CNN polling, and 40 points lower than the president's number at the start of the Iraq war.

"Bush's approval rating five years ago, at the start of the Iraq war, was 71 percent, and that 40-point drop is almost identical to the drop President Lyndon Johnson faced during the Vietnam War," said CNN polling director Keating Holland.

"Johnson's approval rating was 74 percent just before Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in 1964, which effectively authorized the Vietnam War. Four years later, his approval was down to 35 percent, a 39-point drop that is statistically identical to what Bush has faced so far over the length of the Iraq war," he said.

*****

Pop a cork! Another new all time low.

McSame should be a little worried about his future victory. I wouldn’t take anything for granted.

Courageous Obama poses challenge to America

Like many Americans I watched Sen. Barack Obama deliver his speech titled "A More Perfect Union."

I watched in a state of minor shock, not so much at the deftness with which he defused the sophomoric conflation of his call for national unity with the inflammatory rhetoric of the retired head pastor of his church -- a conflation that would imply that we must each swallow whole the entirety of views expressed by our friends and associates.

It was not his repudiation of small thinking that struck me. It was the fact that here we had an American politician speaking with both candor and compassion about the proverbial elephant in our national living room.

Race is an issue that continues to confound this country. It is an undercurrent that paints our description, understanding and valuation of people in American society whether spoken or not. It is the subtext that places NBA star LeBron James and Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen on the cover of Vogue, in uncomfortable caricature of brute and ingénue.

*****

This is from a black guy if that gives him some kind of authority on all matters of race.

I think it is interesting commentary either way.

Again, as usual, it is not about what I or someone here bought into - why can't you make a point that is about the issue without trying to tie to people that post here to some odd fabrication you create in your imagination?

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I was speaking to your cohort pando who has been defending Obamas pastors hate speech against white america and then engaing in the same kind of hate white america hate speech. That is completely on issue!

The fact that would make a difference to you speaks volumes about how little you understand.

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Obamas pastor seems to think it makes a difference.
Obamas new pastor seems to think it makes a difference.
The leader of the Black Panthers who endoresed Obama thinks it makes a difference.

Al Sharpton who consults Obama 3 times a week thinks it makes a difference.

Wake up!

Poll: Bush's approval hits new low
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Ah, but McCains poll numbers are at an all time high beating both Obama and Hillary~

With the DNC disenfranchising the Florida voters who said they won't vote in a general if they don't count the win for Hillary, McCain is got it in the bag. It's over for Obama with out Florida.

I don't even know what Obama's pastor spews, I do know it is not what Obama spews.

As you unknowingly pointed out it is Obama running for office not his pastor. So what his pastor says would be his business, no?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then why the double standard for McCain? You make no sense!

Why are the personal attacks so necessary to you?

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What personal attack? If anyone has made a personal attack today it was your smug response to Tom when he was trying to have a polite back and forth comment.

You and Pando are the kings of personal attacks and then denying it. My only personal attack toady was about Pandes church of Haggee. You have insulted his church more than I have but refuse to say anything about Pande being a member of Haggees ministry because you know that will make him look bad. Just as you refuse to say anything bad tahts truthful about anyone you support.

Now I'm done with your silly insults and will ignore you and your silly side kick Pando!

Thanks!

You're welcome!

Justices cite racial bias, throw out death sentence

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court threw out a Louisiana man's murder conviction and death sentence on Wednesday, citing the prosecutor's exclusion of blacks from the jury.

Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion in a case reversing a capital conviction on grounds of racial bias.

The 7-2 ruling was a sharp rebuke of prosecutors and their use of pre-emptive challenges to keep blacks off the jury.

"The trial court committed clear error," wrote Justice Samuel Alito.

In granting Allen Snyder a new trial, the high court's decision focused almost entirely on the exclusion of one potential juror, an African-American. But the case involved broader accusations of misconduct involving race.

*****

Even the SCOTUS understands a little about racial equality. This all about getting one person of color on a jury in a murder trial. I wonder how many of us white folks would feel it fair to face an all black jury? The preemptive challenge is prejudice.

If you honestly put the shoe on the other foot your perspective will expand exponentially.

"Beginning today, treat everyone you meet as if they were going to be dead by midnight. Extend them all the care, kindness and understanding you can muster. Your life will never be the same again."

Og Mandino (1923 - 1996), The Greatest Miracle in the World

McCain’s buddy Patriot Pastor Rod Parsley’s gay bashing

People for the American Way’s Right Wing Watch blog has compiled a delicious set of clips of John McCain’s fundie buddy Rod Parsley regurgitating homo-hate from the pulpit. This is the man who McCain called a “spiritual guide;” Parsley called BFF McCain a “strong, true, consistent conservative.”

*****

All the love a Christian can possibly stand - if you’re straight, white, homophobic and judgmental.

Like it or not, in life perception is often reality. Even if Senator Obama can survive this situation through the convention, the Republicans are going to absolutely club him with it in November. All the ads, both Republican and independent 527, will begin with one of the Wright rantings and then Senator Obama's non-disavowal of the man.

We may not like it, we may think its unfair, but these ads will be merciless. And such ads will, as events prove out in polling over the last several days, scare the devil out of just enough voters to give Senator McCain the win.

How about this (or something like it) for Senator Obama to say?

"As a congregant of Reverend Wright's for over twenty three years, I repudiate all of his vile political statements, and I repudiate him for making such political statements.

However, there is another side of him that I do not, cannot repudiate. It is like the respect of a son for his father. The man may have all kinds of human failings, but he is still the father, and the son loves him.

Such it is with my relationship to Reverend Wright. And like the father/son relationship, I can listen to him and separate the good from the truly horrible diatribes you have heard and seen. As a son would no more walk out on a father in a time of the father's extreme weakness, I cannot desert Reverend Wright on a personal level. So I repudiate him and all he stands for on a political level but embrace him on a personal one."

Senator Obama has to get this off the radar.

I can't find my html tags cheat sheet - so you'll have to coy and past this... I found this article on Buzz Flash. Clinton seems to be associated with a very fundamentalist church. Seems like she has some "splaining" to do...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

Oh my, it linked it all by itself!

Political consultant admits forging ballot signatures

A political consultant pleaded guilty today to forging ballot petition signatures for state Rep. Michael Diven's unsuccessful 2006 re-election campaign.

Mark L. Zabierek, 53, of Elliott, told police he forged the names of several deceased voters and some who no longer lived at the addresses stated on the petitions. The veteran Harrisburg insider and lobbyist said he got their information from outdated Republican voter registration cards. Mr. Zabierek previously served as an aide to Mayors Richard S. Caliguiri and Sophie Masloff in the 1980s.

Allegheny County Judge Jill E. Rangos sentenced him to two years' probation and fined him $10,000 for forging eight names and falsifying the corresponding signatures. The judge admonished him for subverting the elections system and harming Mr. Diven's campaign.

Mr. Diven eventually secured a place on the GOP ballot as a write-in candidate but was defeated in November 2006 by Rep. Chelsa Wagner.

*****

Some people aren’t skilled enough to be politicians.

BACHMANN SLAMS MCCAIN

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann just put a face and a name to the GOP base’s unhappiness with the Republican nominee for President. Referring to John McCain, Bachmann told the West Sherburne Tribune:

“He is not my man,” she said. “Our candidate was chosen by the media. But there are other races out there.”

Wow.

In addition to that great quote, Bachmann unloaded a fresh batch of her craziness:
On global warming:

“The big thing we are working on now is the global warming hoax. It’s all voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax,” Bachmann said.

And on Iraq:

“What our service men and women have accomplished over there has been nothing short of astounding,” she said “Though you never hear about it in the media.God has not abandoned us.“

h/t The Political Animal

Flan,

Good link, interesting stuff.

DC Comics published a costumed crime fighter in the 1940's and afterwards called "Mr. Terrific." He had his motto, "Fair Play," emblazoned on the stomach of his costume.

With all due respect, with no intention to denigrate Senator Clinton, with her recent emphasis on a re-vote in Michigan, she reminds of Karen Hughes, the Bush operative during the 2000 Florida recount fiasco. Her voice was the most shrill of any on either side of the argument there, and I had to turn down the volume when she appeared on camera to make this or that "chad" remark.

Mrs. Clinton signed a pledge not to participate in the Michigan or Florida primaries because the state legislatures were warned not to move them up, but they did. She said in a New hampshire Public Radio interview in November 2007 that they don't count anyway. Now she wants to change the rules and rescind her contract and pull the Obama campaign into a defensive posture over matters she agreed to months ago. What about Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, etc., would they get to participate in a "do-over"?

Her tactics apparently have hurt the chances of a re-vote, if what MSNBC's Chuck Todd reported tonight is true of her visit to the state. She may drive voters away from her into another party, if she is not careful. Where is the "fair play" in that?

From the Obama campaign's Bill Burton, in an email to journalists:

We wish the McCain campaign well as they try to figure out the difference between Iran and al Qaeda.

Juxtapose the Clinton/Fundamentalist church article with this article about Condi and using rapture code words in her speech...interesting

http://www.evangelicalright.com/2006/07/condi_uses_biblical_code_words.html

Groups Respond to Obama’s Call for National Discussion About Race

The speech Senator Barack Obama delivered Tuesday morning has been viewed more than 1.6 million times on YouTube and is being widely e-mailed. While commentators and politicians debated its political success Wednesday, some around the country were responding to Mr. Obama’s call for a national conversation about race.

Religious groups and academic bodies, already receptive to Mr. Obama’s plea for such a dialogue, seemed especially enthusiastic. Universities were moving to incorporate the issues Mr. Obama raised into classroom discussions and course work, and churches were trying to find ways to do the same in sermons and Bible studies.

The Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of a mostly white evangelical church of about 12,000 in Central Florida, described Mr. Obama’s speech, in which the Democratic presidential candidate discussed his relationship with the former pastor of his home church in Chicago, as a kind of “Rorschach inkblot test” for the nation.

“It calls out of you what is already in you,” Dr. Hunter said, predicting that those desiring to address the topic would regard the speech as a spur, while those indifferent to issues of race might pay it little heed.

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1.6 million and counting.

I doubt those numbers are from people that hate the speech.

Maybe there are 1.6 million people very worried about what Wright said? Maybe - but I doubt it.

Tomorrow, I'll be at the zoo
then watch Horton Hears a Who
I hope to avoid driving in the rain
I just might have to take a train

Late Night Wednesday funnies. Late. Late. And I'm officially caught up with the latest Late Night quips:

"The price of gasoline, oh, my God, it's going crazy. In Hawaii, now over $4 a gallon. Again, President Bush, I don't think he understands the problem. Like today, he says, 'First off, nobody drives to Hawaii.'"
--Jay Leno

"Anybody got one of these yet, the new redesigned $5 bill? It's out, new $5 bill. It has several new features. One of the new features, it's only worth $3."
--Jay Leno

"It's always your friends that kill you. It's not your enemies. It seems Barack Obama's longtime pastor raising eyebrows at some of his more outrageous comments. I'm not going to repeat any of what he said here, but now I understand he's the guy that keeps calling the White House at 3 am."
--Jay Leno

"Today Barack Obama denied being in church when he gave these sermons. In fact, Barack is now claiming, 'Look, I'm a Muslim. I was at the mosque.'"
--Jay Leno

"They were celebrating St. Patrick's Day down in Washington and, of course, President Bush was so confused. He comes out on the White House lawn and pardons the corned beef. "
--David Letterman

"But how many of you folks go to the St. Patrick's Day Parade here in New York City? Well, a lot of Irish dignitaries at the parade. You had O'Connor, you had O'Hare, you had Obama, what?"
--David Letterman

"But President Bush is concerned about the economy. He admitted today that the economy is a little sluggish, a little sluggish right now. The same way Elvis is a little sluggish right now, too. Elvis can't come out, he's a little sluggish."
--David Letterman

"A Happy St. Patrick's Day to everybody! Amazing, over 300 sober people. You never see that on St. Patrick's Day. Everybody's wearing green. The only place you didn't see any green today, Wall Street."
--Jay Leno

"I don't know if you are aware of this, but tragedy at the St. Patrick's Day Parade. Mayor Bloomberg -- what's his first name? ... Yeah, was marching in the parade and he was hit, hit by a jumping stockbroker."
--David Letterman

"A lot of American dignitaries visiting the Middle East. Senator McCain, running for president, is in Iraq. ... Of course, he remembers Iraq when it was known as Mesopotamia."
--David Letterman

"Hillary Clinton, hard at work campaigning today. That's right. Today, Hillary Clinton said that the war would end up costing $1 trillion. Hillary wasn't talking about Iraq. She was talking about her war with Barack Obama."
--Conan O'Brien

"It was reported that Barack Obama's Secret Service name is 'Renegade,' while Hillary Clinton's is 'Evergreen.' That's true. Meanwhile, John McCain's Secret Service name is 'Enlarged Prostate.'"
--Conan O'Brien

"Vice President Dick Cheney also paid a surprise visit to Iraq. And Cheney is very popular in the Middle East. I mean, he flashes them that nice, warm sneer and they just go crazy. And in that part of the world he is known as Lawrence of Arrhythmia."
--David Letterman

"You know the amazing thing to me about this whole situation is? Now, we didn't know anything about this woman. She'd given a fake name, 'Kristen,' and a vague general description -- 5'5", petite. That's all we knew. Yet, reporters tracked her down in a day and a half. A day in a half, they found her. Now, Osama bin Laden, the most famous terrorist in the world -- he's 6'6", he's got a beard, he wears the same robe and turban every day -- we have no idea."
--Jay Leno

"What exactly qualifies you to call his ministry 'twenty years with the unyielding, unrelenting, unmitigated hatred?'"
Posted by Me
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"TUCC has released these rantings on DVD's...."
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 6:49 PM

You go on and on without telling us exactly what you know about Wright and TUCC, how much of his ministry you've experienced or how often you attended services at TUCC, in short, you've made it abundantly clear that you really know nothing.

How often did you attend TUCC and when did you decide to stop attending? What made you decide to walk out on Wright. Judging from your long bit of nonsense about TUCC's DVDs, you know they exist but haven't spent a single moment watching any of them. You are relying on information from the same Hatemongers who've spent the last 6 days playing the same 50 second loop of Wright saying those despicable things. That kind of intellectual dishonesty is expected of LBH. I thought you cared about things like factual substantiation. I was clearly wrong about you, my friend.

I've asked the same question more than once and you refuse to answer. Your evasiveness is telling. You know nothing about Wright's ministry other than what you've heard on FauxNews. Ross on ABC was the one who purchased the DVDs and culled together the bits of ranting that he found the most provocative. You don't know if the 50 seconds of ranting that were cycled over and over again on FauxNews were representative of what Wright preaches any more than you know what Black Liberation Theology is or what it represents to African Americans.

Whew. For a second there, I thought you actually knew what you were talking about. But then again, your ignorance didn't stop you from calling Wright a vile, vile man all the while preaching the whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" dictum that you admitted you've heard. It doesn't stop you from making a fool of yourself proclaiming that you know what Wright's ministry or TUCC are actually like. That kind of raving lunacy based on ignorance is vile. Notice I didn't call you vile as you did Wright. You're just an ignoramus, much like LBH without all the unconventional orthography.

"Second, however, there is a distinct difference. While I consider the comments of both to be highly offensive, they are not off the charts like Reverend Wright. Also, neither of these two bigots has been the pastor of Senator McCain for twenty-three years.""
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 4:55 PM

Not off the charts? Really? You are abviously not Catholic. Catholics' heads popped "off the charts" when they saw videos of McCain hugging on Hagee (and other Catholic-hating evangelicals). Obviously, you speak for yourself (and not a majority of Americans) who would find Parsley's and Hagee's statements BEYOND vile.

And you forget that I get a constant dose of Hagee's firebreathing disdain on a constant basis.

"So, you believe that America is as bad as Al Qaeda?"

Hagee has often said echoing Jefferson, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.” He clearly suggests that God will allow the terrorists to tear our country down for our sinful society. Hollywood and the Sodomites and all that jazz. He spreads the hate fairly evenly.

"So, you believe 9/11 was payback for our bad acts?"

Hagee does.

"There is a difference between Reverend Wright and goofy things being said by other goofy ministers, rabbis and priests. These people might hold radically different views from yours on certain subjects, but these are usually honest different policy differences. These people don't usually spew forth the animus exhibited by Reverend Wright. And if they do, they should be shunned as Reverend Wright should have been shunned."
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 2:49 PM

As with Wright, you clearly don't know enough about the firebrand evangelicals like Hagee and Parsley. And again, when they go off the Rez, it is atypical of the type of preaching that they normally do. As Huckabee said (did you read what was linked for you?) a lot of what is scripted in sermons is good stuff. Once you get all worked up, all bets are off. Now the stuff that is in the books and pamphlets, well, that's just their inner hatemonger talking. If you weren't so ignorant of all 3 pastors (Wright, Hagee and Parsley), you would be denouncing all three.

And the distinction that you draw between Obama's attendance and McCain getting an endorsement from Hagee is bogus.

Look at Obama's legislative record and find a connection between Wright's hateful rhetoric and Obama's public policy. There is none. Now trace the Christianist's reach into the GOP as expressed in McCain's domestic policy. They fit hand in glove. Which is worse? Obama refusing to toe the line for Wright or McCain's dancing to Hagee's social conservative agenda?

Ultimately, that is what is rotten in this debate. The Separation of Church and State is being forgotten. Wright's hateful rhetoric doesn't find it's way into Congressional debate, while evangelicals push for Gay Marriage bans, putting the 10 commandments everywhere, and making Christianity the official religion of the USA.

But will McCain disavow his loonies? No. Will you make such an unholy stink about it and call Parsley and Hagee vile men who must be repudiated and avoided at all costs? Not a chance. They're white and their hatred is aimed at brown people. Look in the mirror, dude. That's a hypocrite staring back at you.

"Like it or not, in life perception is often reality. Even if Senator Obama can survive this situation through the convention, the Republicans are going to absolutely club him with it in November. All the ads, both Republican and independent 527, will begin with one of the Wright rantings and then Senator Obama's non-disavowal of the man."

The money will be spent by the DMW party. The hate will be spewed by the DMW party. The lies will be told by the DMW party. None of it will be centered on a topic that is of major concern to the electorate: the economy, the war, health care. They tried it in the 2006 elections and failed. They tried it against Foster in Hastert's old seat and got nowhere. Nobody's scared of the hate machine any more. That Bitch is dead.

"How about this (or something like it) for Senator Obama to say?
==Tom's version of Obama's speech, only suckier.==
Senator Obama has to get this off the radar."
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 10:20 PM

He made the speech. It has gone VIRAL on youtube. It has been out for only a couple of days and has already been seen by more people than the crappy Wright speeches (which have been in circulation for almost a week).

It is off the radar of almost all Americans. They have bigger fish to fry. They have family members and friends engaged in an unpopular war. Their jobs and wages are faltering. Their homes are heading into foreclosure. They're trying to pay for health care.

Go to the website of any major news organization. Wright has been reduced to a less than a blip, a nanoblip. Wright is only on the radar of the hatemongers on FauxNews. Go to Youtube and look at all the videos of Wright. They have a FauxNews logo at the bottom. Other than the few deadenders in the DMW (like you/LBH) Wright is a moot point in a monologue told by white people who think that Obama is an uppity negro who needs to be put in his place.

The GOP doesn't know how to address the issues facing most Americans. As you said, they only know how to sow hatred and distrust. That is why Reynolds in NY became the 27th (yes 27, what is that a fourth of the GOP congressional delegation in the House?) member of the GOP to "retire" this year. Cutting and running.

Spare us the concern over Obama's plight. As usual, you forget that BLACK FOLKS ALREADY KNOW THAT THE ODDS ARE STACKED AGAINST THEM. Are you familiar with race relations in the U.S.?

Here. Check this out. Obviously, you need a tutorial.

"I ask you to put a white face on Reverned Wright, and have him saying the same thing in the same tone about blacks. It would be worse than the KKK."
Posted by: Tomcantu Author Profile Page | March 19, 2008 6:08 PM

I did as you suggested and got Ann Coulter, Hannity, Rush, Glenn Beck, Imus, Ferraro, and that idiot Michael (?) Savage. It is worse than the KKK and the Dingbats eat their hatespeech up with a spoon. If I gather up all the racist things that they've said (including Rush's Barrack, the Magic Negro) will you wring your hands and worry that McCain will lose the election to Obama because of the Conservative hatemongers on TV and talk radio that daily sing his praises? Will you rant and rave and call them vile, vile humans?

I thought not.

Christian concepts of God taught to the black man are to be discarded or at least ignored."
Posted by: Tomcantu March 19, 2008 7:04 PM

Really. After all that you've read and heard about Obama, do you really think that is his part of his Christian doctrine? Please don't make me link all of his statements about God and make you look silly. I'll do it if you insist; but you'll still look like an ignoramus.

How can you make the nonsensical claims about Black Liberation Theology and the importance of Wright in Obama's life without laughing out loud? I would think that it would make it nigh impossible to type with all the giggling that you'd be doing.

And I'd like to thank LBH for continuing to repeat all of the goofy things that he says about Hagee and reminding us that he's McBush's Best Friend Forever. I'd also like to thank him for reminding us that Obama's biggest error in judgement was in his friend Rezko (without breaking any laws or oaths) while Gramps McBush befriended Ms. Cindy Homewrecker and broke the vows that he made with his first wife (who it must be noted, raised his kids while he was away and was in a debilitating car crash when Gramps broke the news that he wanted a younger, wealthier wife). Classy. That's the DMW party for you. They're not happy destroying American families and their livelihood unless they're wrecking their own lives. Like I said, Classy!

And the polls? Obama's already bounced back to a lead against HRC in the rASSmussen polls which does a rolling 3 day poll. All the other polls were taken before The Speech. The Speech changed everything.

All in all, this whole Wright thing messes up the slime machine. First Obama was a scary Muslim. Now he's a Christian (thanks for dispelling the whole Muslim thing). First HRC got republican votes in the primaries because she was the easiest to beat in the general. But now Obama's easier to beat. Who will they vote for from here on out? It might split the vote and HRC's chances are sunk in a month. The hate machine bites itself in the ass again. Gramps McBush is soooo Dead Man Walking.

Where does the Anger come from

Some keep going on endlessly about a non-attendance at TUCC disqualifying an opinion on the subject. More importantly, it is not what you and I think about TUCC but what the American electorate think. People can watch the DVD's of Reverend Wright and decide for themselves what his teachings are. They can read the tenets of black liberation theology to see the hustle being perpetrated in the name of religion.

The problem, again, is perception. Most people know very little of Senator Obama. He is a clean slate, and as he has said about himself, people project onto him what they want to see and hear. Now they see and hear the rantings of a lunatic minister and they are frightened by it. The new Reuters/Zogby poll, taken after the speech, confirms this. What kind of judgment must Senator Obama possess to follow such a man? Remember, Bob Jones did a lot of good, too.

As far as Catholicism, I was baptized and confirmed in a mission church many moons ago, the son of a first-generation immigrant. Two of my sons are graduates of Catholic schools. We start Triduum services in a few hours.

And, I must say, I am flattered by all the serious time you have taken to attempt to refute my arguments. Alas, I do not have the same amount of time or interest to reciprocate.

Obama's Greater Challenge

[…]

What the powerful speech of Obama has begun, and can do, and should do, is to broaden the debate from a speech about race to a debate about justice, to elevate the dialogue from a discussion of discrimination to the aspiration for empowerment, for opportunity, for the pieces of the whole united as greater than the sum of the parts -- against those who divide the parts, to protect the few.

The cause of Martin Luther King is the cause of the steelworker and mill worker. The cause of Cesar Chavez is the cause of the woman denied the promotion and the soldier denied the body armor and health care. The cause of the pulpit of every denomination is the cause of the great truth that those who have should help those who have not -- not because it helps some rather than others, but because it helps the whole, which benefits us all.

The lion may or may not lie down with the lamb, but the day that Obama can stand with Ferraro, and the day that Ferraro can stand with Obama, is the stuff that dreams are made of, when America comes true, when landslides are born, when the voiceless are given their voice, when the disempowered are given their power, when the disrespected are given their respect, and when our leaders embody the great vision of America as a true mosaic that is a beacon of hope at home, and beacon of light around the world.

These are not merely words, this is our history, and if we are large enough to rise to the occasion, now can be our time.

"The problem, again, is perception."

But alas - that is your perception. Certainly not an absolute nor can you impose or project yours on others.

Millions of clear headed, well thinking, curious and open minded individuals disagree.

FWIW

Why do you insist Hutchinson confuse his anti-Obama talking points with inconvenient facts? His job is to disparage Obama's efforts. He is not there to be fair, accurate, informed or otherwise perceptive. He is there to undermine the candidate as part of his assigned task. I wish I knew who hired him.

Youtube of BHO's excellent speech -

OVER TWO MILLION and growing.

"Some keep going on endlessly about a non-attendance at TUCC disqualifying an opinion on the subject."

It's about expressing an INFORMED opinion. Whether you attended or not, whether you've watched the DVDs or not or if you could at least cite a credible source for what is on the DVDs is what makes a difference. It doesn't validate my opinion over yours or yours over mine; but when you spout lies and half-truths on a subject that you know nothing about, it becomes increasingly obvious that your opinions are as vapid and laughable as LBH's.

As I've said before, I've read this blog steadily for years. I only jump in for the laughs. And your writing is quickly approaching the hilarity of LBH's.

"More importantly, it is not what you and I think about TUCC but what the American electorate think."

Again, look at the polls that I cited. They have bigger fish to fry than 50 seconds of hate speech spouted by someone who isn't even a candidate in the election. 7 months from now the only people who will be running it on a loop will be the FauxNews and FauxNews wannabes on TV. Everyone else will be scraping to get out of this recession.

"People can watch the DVD's of Reverend Wright and decide for themselves what his teachings are. They can read the tenets of black liberation theology to see the hustle being perpetrated in the name of religion."

Again, an informed opinion would be greatly appreciated. Yours is worthless so long as you personally know nothing about Wright's 20-year ministry. My perspective is from being a congregant at Hagee's church. I know wha