David Corn

Yes, you were right about Pennsylvania. I didn't doubt you for a minute.

How does Obama counter the negative campaigning of Hillary Clinton. If he just responds albeit promptly, she'll be in control of the initiative.

He cannot go negative in an obvious way. If he's too cute about it, the press will take issue with him and not the issue he raises.

Can he beat her by criticznig her on the merits and how many more times will he get mileage out of her vote to authorize George Bush's vanity war against Saddam the butcher of bagdhad but not the perpetrator of 9/11?

Yes, you were right about Pennsylvania. I didn't doubt you for a minute.

How does Obama counter the negative campaigning of Hillary Clinton. If he just responds albeit promptly, she'll be in control of the initiative.

He cannot go negative in an obvious way. If he's too cute about it, the press will take issue with him and not the issue he raises.

Can he beat her by criticznig her on the merits and how many more times will he get mileage out of her vote to authorize George Bush's vanity war against Saddam the butcher of bagdhad but not the perpetrator of 9/11?

"I was right about Pennsylvania, wasn't I?...."

I'd be careful with the crowing - you predicted HRC would soldier on either way.

Not much of a risk there, eh?

Not even much of a prediction. HRC never letting go is a given.

As I posted yesterday (a day before your staff at MoJo) the Alter piece and the delegate calculator seems to say HRC can't do it by the numbers.

If BHO can't beat her then so be it but if she thinks a tie is a win - a pox on her house.

How about an honest prediction about how staying in makes for a win?

Predict something with even a little risk - then crow.

Slate's Delegate Calculator

Even if Hillary Clinton wins tonight's primaries, she still has an increasingly difficult road ahead. Going into this evening's results, Clinton needs an average margin of victory of 16 points in every remaining primary to tie Obama's pledged delegate total. If Clinton wins by fewer than 16 points, then her job only gets tougher going forward. According to our delegate calculator, two 10-point wins in Ohio and Texas would inflate her margin-of-victory target to 20 points, which will be a hard margin to achieve once Obama visits Pennsylvania and North Carolina (the two richest states remaining, delegate-wise).

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Play with the calculator a little and let’s consider the possibilities?

No realistic scenario give a win to HRC so - why all the BS about HRC "wins"?

Slate's Delegate Calculator counter

Plug in last nights numbers - then give HRC a full 60/40 in every other primary and she still doesn’t take the lead.

Does anybody really believe HRC can sweep a 60/40 in every other primary?

Hmmm

"I predict HRC will be wearing a pantsuit"

HA!

John McCain will run on national defense and national security this fall, to which I say loud and often, and perhaps you might want to also say to the Republiklan party.

THE MYTH OF REPUBLIKLAN PARTY CREDIBILITY ON NATIONAL DEFENSE AND NATIONAL SECURITY EXPLODED WITH THE PASSENGERS ON THE PLANE THAT HIT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON SEPT 11, 2001. FURTHERMORE THE REPUBLIKLAN PARTY APPEARS THE ONLY PARTY THAT HAS ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED THEIR WEAKNESS ON NATIONAL DEFENSE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. OH AND WE DID HAVE ATTACKS ON OUR COUNTRY SINCE SEPT 11, 2001. THE RIGHT WING ANTHRAX KILLER KILLED PEOPLE AND SENT ANTHRAX TO 2 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS.

Get the Hunchback of John McCain T shirt at http://hunchback.democratz.org

New nickname for McCain (from Stephanie Miller Show)

McCan't!

or Surgey McCant

This race is no longer about numbers so it is no use discussing delegates. Party leaders will decide based on who they think is the best candidate.

Also, Obama can counter negatives by being honest and answering reporters' questions.

Time for Obama to put party over politics and bow out of the race.

He has lost all big states-FL, TX, CA, NY and OH which has determined the winner over the last 100 years.

He is now in a postion to tear the Dem party apart and cause rifts between black Democrats and Hillary, who will be the nominee.

I'm starting to feel bad for you guy's- you all want to start ripping McCain apart but can't cuz Hillary and Obama can't stop ripping each other apart.

It's like opening a wound that won't heal and just keeps bleeding~~

As Dean would say- Rahhhhhhhhhhhh!

The last delegate count I saw from Texas only showed about 150 of the 193 delegates being awarded.

Does anyone know the final results of the caucuses, where one-third of the delegates are awarded?

Tom

Unoffcial Elections Results As Of: 3/5/2008 11:31:46 AM

The best source I can find . . .

Um, not a delegate count on the page above, it is vote count

Still looking.

*** The delegate count: Based on preliminary results of last night's contests (the Texas caucuses are not yet factored in), here's where the Democratic delegate count stands: Obama 1,518, Clinton 1,429. The NBC News Hard Count has Obama at 1,307 to 1,175 for Clinton after last night's voting. The superdelegate count stands at Clinton 254, Obama 211. Here's how the states broke down: VT: Obama 9-6; OH: Clinton 73-62 (six unallocated); RI: Clinton, 13-8; TX: Clinton 46-34 (113 unallocated). That’s a net gain of 23 pledged delegates for Clinton. But before figuring out the Texas mess, Clinton had a net of approximately 13 delegates. If Obama wins the delegate battle in Texas (which the allocation formulas seem to indicate), he'll cut that 13 net by as many as 6. However, one estimate in Texas has Obama netting no more than one after the caucus, giving Clinton the possibility that she'll net more than 10 delegates when March 4 is all said and done. While not MAJOR progress on the pledged delegate front, it's impressive nonetheless since so many folks predicted her not even netting 10 delegates last night.

(MSNBC First read)

Republicans took an Iowa victory "rahhh" cheer by Dean and used it to turn Dean into a crazy man. That's slime ball politics.

What Obama and Clinton are doing is no worse. I say, democrats should save their powder against McCain. They're fighting over the nomination. I saw go for it, all the legit primaries should count.

Tormenting the flip-flopping McCain who is now officially a conserv-libra-conserv having flip-flopped on torture, 100 years in Iraq, and global warming is going to be fun.

Capt. Looks like a horserace.

Playing with the delegate count and the popular vote, HRC doesn't have a clear path to anything. (As far as I can tell)

The numbers are not there -

Try: Slate Delegate Counter

The page looks blank but I scroll down and there is the calculator.

I plug in last nights numbers and give HRC 60/40 in every next contest and she still doesn't have a higher delegate count.

Democratic Delegate Count Update

Washington, D.C. (AHN) - The delegate count stands in Barack Obama's favor after Wednesday's primaries, despite key wins for Sen. Hillary Clinton Tuesday night. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leads Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) in all estimates despite winning only one of four contests.

RealClearPolitics has it at 1,546 total delegates for Obama and 1,449 for Clinton. CNN says it is 1,520 and 1,240, respectively. CBS says the first-term senator has 1,541 while his rival has 1,438 delegates.

The votes from Texas' caucuses are still being tallied but MSNBC says Clinton, despite winning the most contested March 4 state, will only have a net gain of about 10 delegates. The former First Lady won 46 delegates in the Lone Star state, while Obama got 34, 73 delegates in Ohio, while Obama gained 62. She got six in Vermont, and Obama nine. And finally, she earned 13 from Rhode Island, and Obama received 8.

Obama regains ground in Texas caucuses

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I think the bottom line is - BHO will be able to handle HRC.

Republicans took an Iowa victory "rahhh" cheer by Dean and used it to turn Dean into a crazy man. That's slime ball politics.
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Nice try Neil, but Dean was still in the Dem primary and it was Democrats who took Dean as a crazy man then turned against him to vote for Kerry.

Just to clear the record- Dean is a crazy man!

Republicans took an Iowa victory "rahhh" cheer by Dean and used it to turn Dean into a crazy man. That's slime ball politics.
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Nice try Neil, but Dean was still in the Dem primary and it was Democrats who took Dean as a crazy man then turned against him to vote for Kerry.

Just to clear the record- Dean is a crazy man!

Tormenting the flip-flopping McCain who is now officially a conserv-libra-conserv having flip-flopped on torture, 100 years in Iraq
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Would rather vote for someone who has changed there mind to a correct point of view than vote for Obama who says one thing to the public and another to the Canadian government. That's called a flip flopping liar!

It's time for Obama to admit that his surge in the polls has been a complete failure with Hillary's big win.

Obama needs to admit that his ultimate goal of bring the governing democratic party together to work with republicans has been an utter failure.

Obama needs to implement a complete withdrawl of democratic operative ground troops and admit that the surge has been a failure.

Bush: McCain ‘Is Not Going To Change’ My Foreign Policy

At the White House today, President Bush threw his support behind Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). In a press conference after a private lunch, a reporter asked the duo how McCain would “make the case that you’re going to provide the change that the voters seem to want.”

Bush quickly cut in, declaring that McCain is “not going to change”

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Too funny, McCan’t claims the mantle of change as he accept the absurd premise that he won’t change?

If that isn't double-talk it is triple-talk.

lololololo

McCain’s flourishing flip-flop list

[…]

Let’s return, once again, to McCain’s flourishing flip-flop list, which is now a Top 11 list.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

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Flip-flops for McCan’t.

Bush And McCain: Photo-Op Friends Forever

As MSNBC’s Chris Matthews noted last night, McCain is “the man who represents the least change” from the failed policies of the Bush administration. With the President’s official blessing, McCain is now set to carry on his legacy in a “third Bush term.”

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Even Tweety can’t muster a little man crush on McSame!

McSame as Bush

The Campaign to Defend America, a new 501(c)(4) issue advocacy group, is running this ad in Ohio and Pennsylvania:

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McSame - it just might stick. I can’t imagine the general election will favor the old guard. We’ll see but I don’t think American have the stomach for a third Bush term.

Clinton camp fires back

From NBC's Mark Murray


Clinton campaign communications director Howard Wolfson released this statement on the Obama campaign's criticism of Clinton not releasing her tax returns.

His answer in short, it appears: Tony Rezko.

"Faced with many legitimate questions about Senator Obama's long-time relationship with indicted political fixer Tony Rezko, the Obama campaign has chosen to lash out at Senator Clinton. Here are the facts:

"Over 20 years of the Clintons' tax returns are in the public domain. Their tax returns since they left the White House will be made available on or around April 15. This information will be in addition to 15 years of uninterrupted public financial disclosure reports."

"Instead of making false attacks, we urge Senator Obama to release all relevant financial and other information related to indicted political fixer Tony Rezko."

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How about it Capt? Holding his feet to the fire yet?

Clinton cries foul in Texas; Obama lawyer hijacks call

The Hill ^ | 4 March 08 | Sam Youngman

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) campaign charged rival Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) campaign with breaking several rules in the Texas caucuses.

The Clinton campaign called an “emergency” conference call with reporters that was interrupted by Obama’s chief counsel Bob Bauer, who called in and said the Clinton campaign only criticized the caucus process when it was losing.

With Clinton facing what many consider must-win scenarios in both Ohio and Texas and both races too-close-to-call, the Clinton campaign charged that the Obama campaign had shut the doors on Clinton supporters at some of the caucuses, among other things.

The campaign also said the Obama camp had hijacked some of the caucus packets at certain precincts, adding that in others Obama supporters were calling in caucus results before the polls had closed.

Ace Smith, Clinton’s Texas campaign director, said the state party’s election hotline was jammed, and the Clinton campaign was receiving “hundreds of complaints.”

“This is just truly outrageous behavior,” Smith said. “It’s really disturbing, and it’s really undemocratic what’s going on.”

Clinton’s attorney said on the call that “all options are open at this point” when asked about the possibility of seeking a legal remedy to the campaign’s concerns.

Bauer’s presence on the call came as a surprise as he and Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s communications director, went round and round. Wolfson repeatedly asked Bauer and the Obama campaign to ensure that all votes in Texas are counted as Bauer impugned the Clinton campaign’s “attacking the caucus process.”
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Say it aint so? Demorats trying to steal an election, again?

The SCOTUS is stepping in stop the counting of votes to uphold equal protection under the law - AGAIN?

Sounds fair enough.

Captain,

Great work/research on your part (better than I did), but the Texas totals you present still only come up to about 150 of the total 193 delegates to be awarded.

I don't know if this is a compliment or a condemnation, but does anyone seriously believe that Senator Clinton will relinquish this struggle without doing anything and everything in her power, whatever the cost to either the Democrat party or the American public, to secure the nomination?

To bastardize a phrase, "Dream on, McDuff."

Tom

I think the last delegate post with "net gain of about 10 delegates" for HRC is close.

Of course ego drives the contest now. HRC will do and say anything - that is why some like her, it is why I do not.

Based on my calculations and including last nights numbers HRC has to win every contest from here on out at 62 to 38 for a five eletor lead - if she only wins every contest from here on out at 61 to 39 she loses by 5.

It is already over, BHO is the nominee.

It will take until PA before the numbers really set in but . . .

BHO is still up over a half a million popular votes. Again HRC would have to landslide every contest from here on out to even make a tie.

It is just a matter of time.

The real question is will BHO stay above the fray?

His positive message has already won and I think he knows that, he just doesn't want to sound as arrogant as HRC did (and still does).

Haditha Cover-Up: Murtha Deposition Nixed

By: Philip V. Brennan

As the Haditha Marines case proceeds, defense lawyers find roadblocks that are worrisome.

Various charges stem from the now-infamous Nov. 19, 2005 Haitha, Iraq incident where a firefight ensued after Marines were ambushed. This battle cost the Marines 14 casualties — including one Marine. The insurgents, hiding amongst women and children in civilian homes, caused the death of 15 civilians as the Marines fought back.

The latest roadblock has defense lawyers arguing that they cannot fully defend one of the Marines, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, because they are being denied the opportunity to obtain testimony from Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.

The defense contends that prosecutors are trying to make it impossible for the heroic Marine officer to get a fair trial.

“This entire prosecution is politically motivated and stinks to high heaven," Thompson said. "Denying us the right to take Murtha’s deposition so that we could show undue command influence, as well as denial of our request for production of documents in the possession of Chessani’s superiors makes it impossible for us to render this loyal Marine officer the effective assistance of counsel he deserves — they are attempting to throw him under the bus. In many ways this is a trial like the one in 'Alice in Wonderland' — the verdict first and then the trial.”

Vowing to fight back Thompson added, “In the next couple of weeks, we will reveal startling facts tracing the impetus for this prosecution to the highest levels of military and civilian command.

An investigation of the incident was launched, sparked by a Time magazine story based on claims from known insurgent propagandists, months before the investigation was completed,

Murtha made the rounds on TV news programs claiming erroneously that there was no firefight in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005, and that the Marines killed innocent Iraqi civilians in “cold blood” and officers “covered it up.”

Murtha publicly stated he received his information from the highest levels of the Marine command — this statement in itself is enough to cause a dismissal of the charges because of undue command influence, according to representatives from the Thomas More Law Center.

The Center stressed that Murtha, the same person caught on tape negotiating bribes with Arab Sheiks during the FBI’s 1980 Abscam investigation "holds significant influence over military appropriations and in the past has boasted he can get the Pentagon to do what he wants." Moreover, the Center added, "The Haditha incident provided ammunition for his well known anti-war stance.

According to the Center's Brian Rooney, a Marine captain who served in Fallujah during the bloody battle to wrest the city from al-Qaida, Murtha also has ties to Navy Secretary Donald Winters who had over 65 NCIS investigators assigned to investigate Chessani and the Marines charged in the case. The NCIS director claimed that to be the highest number of investigators assigned to a case in the history of the NCIS.

Chessani, one of America’s most effective combat commanders in Iraq, now faces dismissal (an officer’s equivalent of a dishonorable discharge), loss of retirement, and imprisonment of up to three years. The actual court-martial trial is scheduled to begin April 28, 2008.
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What a friggin disgrace!

"I think the last delegate post with "net gain of about 10 delegates" for HRC is close."

I saw the same post, but I was just wondering if that included the missing 40 or so delegates from Texas.

I also saw some analyses that are close to yours - that Senator Clinton has to win over 60% of the remaining popular vote to even catch Senator Obama.

Not with North Carolina and Mississippi still out there.

A lot of whistling past the graveyard on the part of the Clinton campaign.

Haditha Cover-Up: Murtha Deposition Nixed
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He just can't stay away from those wonderfully reliable rightwing "news" sources.
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Feel like crap fighting sinus head stuff, probably won't be posting much. Please fumigate for trolls in my absence.

Brattleboro, Marlboro OK Bush indictment

BRATTLEBORO - Voters in two southern Vermont towns passed articles Tuesday calling for the indictment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney for violating the Constitution.
More symbolic than substantive, the items sought to have police arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first.

In Brattleboro, the vote was 2,012 for and 1,795 against. In Marlboro, it was 43 to 25, with three abstentions.

"I hope the one thing that people take from this is 'Hey, it can be done,"' said Kurt Daims, 54, who organized the petition drive that led to the Brattleboro vote.

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True American heoroes in my book!

Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults," "degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."

In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.

"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."

Sen. Clinton's spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds because the lawsuit is "ongoing" and because none of the sexual harassment allegations has been proven in court.

"With regard to the pending harassment suit, as a general matter, the campaign assesses findings of fact in deciding whether to return contributions," Wolfson said.
From NBC's Lisa Myers and Jim Popkin

And:
Right Wing Canadian Prime Minister Tied to Leak Slurring Obama
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_080304_oen_nails_right_wing.htm

He just can't stay away from those wonderfully reliable rightwing "news" sources.

Eyes,

Thats cuz they're the only reliable news source out there~ thanks for the link, the full article just goes to show what a scum bag Murtha really is.

Hey eyes, I told ya liberalism was a disease~ now you've gone and got yourself sick from it!

True American heoroes in my book!

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True american idiots who wasted hard earned tax payer money to fund idiot protest votes!

"if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first."

I think we should throw a party and invite both Bush and Cheney!

"bacaangel"

Good post!

The slimy bastards will always be exposed.

Right Wing Canadian Prime Minister Tied to Leak Slurring Obama
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Dude, It's not about the leak but the cover-up of Obama lying about the meeting taking place.

"if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first."

Ewww, Cheney's scared now! he he

But but but,

BHO did know he was lying so he never lied - right?

You haven't offered any proof? lololololo

Do you have a clue how silly you actually sound?

No small wonder you don't expect to be taken seriously - you are just a little comic relief!

ROTFLMFAO (times two)

Thanks again!

(Bush never lied) lolololololololo

Obama wins only 5 of 82 counties in Ohio. Whay are you guys still plugging this guy?He will be a general election dud.
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Ohio aftermath

by Jerome Armstrong,

The rout in Ohio happened. Obama has a huge electability problem in the state. He took a total of 5 counties, and lost in 82 counties. Even though he's able to rack up a large number of urban black voters he did terrible among white voters, winning just 34 percent.

You don't win a general election in Ohio if you can only win in 5 counties. I realize I'm speaking out against the other members in my tribe, the wealthy post-graduate male clique of punditry, in pointing out Obama has a problem in Ohio. So be it.

In Ohio, Clinton won the votes of Democrats by a 14 percent margin, 56-42. Clinton and Obama tied among Republican & Independent voters. I find it ironic that the most strident of "progressives" find themselves backing the candidate whom does the least well among self-declared Democrats.

And lets not forget that Obama outspent Clinton by a 3 or 4:1 margin, and had the union help. There's no amount of money or youth organizing that is going to change the dynamics at work against Obama in Ohio in the November general.

We'll see in a month, but my guess is that we get about the same map coming out of Pennsylvania. There is not a winning Democratic electoral map which doesn't include either or both Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Yea, Wyoming is going to vote next. A place where Bush won 70 percent of the vote in 2004 and where Democrats will lose handily again in 2008. Neither Clinton or Obama will even return to the state past its caucus in a few days. It'll have about 20,000 people attend caucuses, and let Obama fans say that Ohio's win by Clinton doesn't matter, that Obama gained just as many delegates in Wyoming. This is process-powered politics; it may figure out well enough to take a lead in pledged delegates, but it's not a winning formula for the general election.

You haven't offered any proof? lololololo
Do you have a clue how silly you actually sound?
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Only if you're drinking the Obama kool aid~

It's all in the memo my friend~
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Is Obama Lying About NAFTAGate? - He certainly doesn’t seem to be telling the whole truth.

National Review online ^ | March 4, 2008 1:20 AM | Byron York

For the last several months, the tone of the Democratic presidential debate on the issue of trade has worried government officials in Canada and Mexico. Would a President Barack Obama or a President Hillary Clinton actually pull the U.S. out of the North American Free Trade Agreement? It’s a nightmare scenario in Ottawa and Mexico City — not to mention Washington — and Canadian and Mexican officials have tried as best they can to gauge just how sincere the criticisms of NAFTA coming from Obama and Clinton really are.

Those criticisms have been particularly intense in the run-up to today’s primary in economically struggling Ohio. At last week’s debate in Cleveland, Obama and Clinton dueled to see who could be more anti-NAFTA; Obama won, at least rhetorically, by promising to “use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage” to renegotiate NAFTA on his own terms.

Did he mean it? Or was he just telling steelworkers in Ohio what they wanted to hear? That is the question behind the first real scandal of the Obama campaign. And while the campaign has made several statements on the issue, there are growing indications that officials there are not telling the whole story.

It began last week, when Canada’s CTV television network reported that, in early February, a representative of the Obama campaign assured Canadian officials that they need not take Obama’s NAFTA threats seriously, that those threats were just political rhetoric intended to win Midwestern primaries.
The campaign, and the Canadian government, initially denied everything. “The Canadian ambassador issued a statement saying that the story was absolutely false,” top Obama adviser Susan Rice said Thursday night on MSNBC. “There had been no such contact. There had been no discussions on NAFTA.” Obama himself, asked about the story the next day, said, “It did not happen.”

But it turned out that there had been contact, and something did indeed happen. Later news reports identified the Obama adviser as Austan Goolsbee, a professor of economics at the University of Chicago who serves as a senior adviser to the Obama campaign. Those reports said Goolsbee met with officials at the Canadian consulate in Chicago, where the NAFTA discussion allegedly took place.

The Clinton campaign picked up the story. “Has Austan Goolsbee had any contact with anyone in the Canadian government, in the Canadian embassy, or tried to send a message to individuals there to indicate that Senator Obama’s criticism of NAFTA was not sincere?” top Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson asked. “It’s a simple question.”

But it wasn’t one the Obama campaign was inclined to answer, and as the weekend began, the campaign continued to deny everything. On Friday, The New York Observer reached Goolsbee himself. “It is a totally inaccurate story,” Goolsbee said. “I did not call these people.”

Then a report from the Associated Press pulled the rug out from under Obama. The report cited a memo written as a record of the February 8 meeting between Goolsbee and a man named Georges Rioux, the Canadian consul general in Chicago. The document was written by Joseph DeMora, a consulate staffer who was in the meeting.

“Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign,” the memo said, according to AP. “He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.”

In another part of the memo, according to AP, Goolsbee repeated some of Obama’s rhetoric on NAFTA but sought to downplay its consequences. Goolsbee, according to the memo, “was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy. On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more ‘core’ principles of the agreement.”

And Obama said he was the one who would attract Republican voters~

Republicans Helped Hillary Win Texas

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 3:55 PM

By: Newsmax Staff

Republican crossover voters apparently helped win the Democratic primary in Texas for Hillary Clinton — with one in every 10 Democratic votes came from Republicans.

And they could have been heeding the call of top-rated radio host Rush Limbaugh, who had been urging Republican listeners to vote for Hillary to prevent the Democrats from unifying around Obama and to keep the two candidates battling each other.

“Hillary Clinton is back in the race, thanks in some small part to Republican voters mindlessly following the commands of radio entertainers and crossing party lines to vote for the candidate they view as weakest,” Bud Kennedy writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram Wednesday.

According to exit polls, of the 10 percent of Democratic votes that came from Republicans, about 53 percent of the crossovers chose Obama and 46 percent went with Clinton, the Dallas Morning News reports.

But previously these crossovers had voted overwhelmingly in favor of Obama. And the exit polls also show that Hillary won handily among conservative voters, including many Democrats, 53 percent to 43 percent over Obama, reports the Web site Outside the Beltway — which also noted that “Clinton truly might have won the Texas primary on the backs of Rush Limbaugh listeners.”

lolololo

I'm sure this is the end of Barack.

His campaign is dead, he will never hold office.

No doubt.

lolololololololol

Frank Doesn't Back Obama's Biblical Blessing of Same-Sex Unions - (ouch, what a burn!)

By Penny Starr

(CNSNews.com) - When asked about Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) recent remarks citing the Sermon on the Mount as justification of his support for legalizing same-sex unions, Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), one of two openly homosexual members of Congress, said he isn't a biblical scholar, but he does not think politicians should use the Bible as a playbook.

"I am for same-sex union, but I am reluctant to selectively use biblical interpretations to support this or that public policy," Frank told Cybercast News Service.

"You understand, I'm Jewish," Frank said. "I'm not an expert on the Sermon on the Mount. I'm for same-sex unions. But being Jewish, the Sermon on the Mount didn't come up that much at my Bar Mitzvah."

Frank is known for his liberal voting record and wit on Capitol Hill.

"Look, there are some things in the Old Testament that are not great from the gay standpoint," Frank said. "Fortunately, they are in the same provisions that say don't eat lobster. They do. It's in Leviticus; it says 'don't eat shellfish.'"

Frank said he does agree with Obama's politics.

"I'm glad to have his support for same-sex unions," he said.

I'm sure this is the end of Barack.

His campaign is dead, he will never hold office.
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Never said that, I said he can't win a general election but you all can try. Just trying to help ya out before Hillary makes sushi out of him. Besides that he's just not ready. Let Hillary make him into a man and then give him a shot~

It just gets funnier . .. .

Barney Frank is gay so he and BHO should agree on all matters LGBT?

Too effin funny.

Progressives don't march in lock-step and we tolerate disagreement. I know that is hard to imagine but . . .

Barney can have a take on a gay issue that is not shared by others and we progressive can be okay with that.

Hard on the binary brain, eh?

"If two men agree on everything, you may be sure that one of them is doing the thinking."
~ Lyndon B. Johnson (1908 - 1973)

I wonder what Luis Farrakan thinks of Obamas same sex civil union theology?

Progressives don't march in lock-step and we tolerate disagreement. I know that is hard to imagine but . . .

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The point was don't use religion to support your politics~

It's advice not disagreement and it just goes to show Obamas nieve judgement once again.

Progressives don't march in lock-step and we tolerate disagreement. I know that is hard to imagine but . . .
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That's right. That's why Murtha went against progressive defeatism and said the surge was working!

So now you want to be taken seriously?

And I thought you didn't care to make a point, just using your right to free speech without any consideration for the truth?

If you want to be taken seriously you have to at least try.

No more "you lefties" because we aren't, no more cornnuts because you are one too, no more Reicch-wingnuttia talking points because they are meaningless, no more calling people that post here liars because you don't agree.

That is if you want to be taken seriously.

Fair enough?

Just like a liberal, Franken wnats free health care for all just as long as he doesn't have to pay for it:

Al Franken Company Faces $25,000 Fine

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:00 PM

MINNEAPOLIS -- The state of New York fined the personal corporation of Democratic Senate candidate Al Franken $25,000 for not carrying workers' compensation insurance for almost three years.

The New York Workers' Compensation Board levied the fine against Alan Franken Inc. in August 2006 for failure to carry the insurance from June 2002 to March 2005.
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What a loser~ thank god none of his employees had an injury cuz Al would have screwed them!

No more "you lefties" because we aren't, no more cornnuts because you are one too, no more Reicch-wingnuttia talking points because they are meaningless, no more calling people that post here liars because you don't agree.

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Man, you're sensitive~ You're the one who said everyone lies~ I use right wing and left wing articles to form my own talking points~ Are you proclaiming that no one here is a lefty? I'm not touching the cornnut one, however Corn should pay me roylties for the phrase. If you want me to back off then just say so. I know everyone has limits, I some times tend to push the limits but am human like everyone lese here and will comply.

Now have a nice day!

No I just thought with a little urging you could try to grow up and have an adult discussion, I was wrong. I thought you might actually be trying to make a point or two, I was obviously mistaken.

Keep the juvenile name calling, post what you like, doesn't bug me a bit. I never called you a liar I have always posted that alol POLIATICIANS lie, but you go right on ahead and think you are making some kind of a point calling me a liar.

All of the unnecessary crud does nothing except make you sound small minded and petty - but if you think that is working for you have fun.

Just don't expect me to take anything seriously unless or until you can clean up the crud.

I take you at your word, you are not serious, but still good for a chuckle.

"Bush never lied! "

lolololololo

I always have a very nice day thanks!

Loquascious Bamboozled Humongifier

No, DB. Not bamboozled. Just exremely stupid. You may remember LBH from his previous misadventures on the internets.

I don't know where he shops; that's obviously his style but that's not his size.

LBH isn't known for much around here other than his lies and his inrivaled stupidity. If you're looking for a World Class Clown,an ignoranus like LBH is your guy.

Let's review one of my favorite bits from the last election cycle:

"On another note, cornnuts have you seen the latest election polls?
Bush is up to 45%
Repubs are within 3% to the Dems
Dems still have no agenda
Santorum cleaned Casey's clock on Meet The Press
Michelle Steel is looking like a shoe in
Economy is reving along -spending at a all time high in Sept
Stock market is up
Gas prices down
Corn is trashed for outing Plame
Liberals are being accused of ruining the Dem party
OMG life is great!!
Posted by: LBH at September 18, 2006 08:00 PM

It would be funny if LBH didn't take himself so seriously. Capt, you've marked the dimwit spot on. He wants so desperately to be taken seriously. The sad thing is that he can no more be taken seriously than any of his sources. CNSnooze, FauxNews and Newzhucksters. It's all food for suckers and he thinks it's an all-you-can-eat buffet.

From Mr. 19%, to the asskicking that Republicans took, to Santorum getting has clock cleaned, to MIchael Steele getting a shoe up his arse, to the economy sputtering, to the price of a barrel of oil going from ~$35 in 2003 (before the Iraq upfuckery) to over $104 per barrel today, (of course with Bush diluting the dollar, we barely get the inflation-adjusted record that merits the giggles), and then there's Scooter Libby. It is to Larf, as Wolcott says.

If I could Frankenstein-like build a better Ignoranus, I might could come up with something as idiotic as LBH. But then again, with LBH, nothing exceeds like excess. He is a dumbass unlike nothing that has dumbassed before.

LBH has moved from lies in 2006 about Hellraizing Harry getting indicted for his land deals to Democrats getting investigated and indicted for Abramoff deals to lies today about Murtha, lies about Obama and lies about McCain. Granted... he may not be lying. He may just be a colossal idiot; but it pains me that any human might be that stoopid. I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Prove me wrong, LBH. Or is DB onto something? Lying Buttmonkey Hatemonger?

PANDE!

Sorry I had to yell!

Right you are - as always!

Ok. Just had to get that out there. I've missed having LBH to kick around and having Happy to kid. Can you give a little more to Joe Lieberman, Hap? For old time's sake? LOL. I'd provide the link, but I think I read that I'm limited to one link per post; soooooo

Oh jeez that was funny. Republicans dumping money into Lieberman's campaign to elect a DEMOCRAT while the GOP went up in smoke. You guys are a HOOT!! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mil Gracias from el Pandemoniaco de Tejas.

Back to the present... I just wanted to recount my experiences these last few days. If you want to know how Obama took a 20 point deficit in the polls in Texas and wound up kicking Clinton azz, check out the Rolling Stone story on how Obama uses the old grassroots development to grow his campaign in all 50 states. It writes HRC's death sentence.

4 states with a population of slightly over 30 million went to vote yesterday and Mrs. BigDawg got MAYBE (MAYBE!) 10 delegates out of the night. Obama got that out of Wisconsin, pop. what? 2 Mil? This was supposed to be Mrs. BigDawgs big night where she could recoup the losses from the previous 10 asskickings.

The same scene plays out in every state. HRC has the party's machines and bosses behind her and BHO comes in and claims the boots on the ground right out from under her. I saw it play out right here in Texas.

Voting was weird because NOBODY voted republican. Believe it or not (as Hunter Thompson noted many times before), even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while. My friend LBH got the news from Rush, Republicans switched to vote for Mrs. BigDawg. I saw it at the polls and I heard about it at work. There were a couple of dozen Republican coworkers that voted Democrat. Their vote BHO vs HRC was split cleanly and evenly between those who had kids in Iraq and those who didn't. Military families voted for Obama. Rush's Dingbats voted for HRC. As one of them told me, you have to hope that McCain goes up against the candidate that's easier to beat. That's Hillary.

At my precinct, I saw Republican after republican ask how they could vote for Obama if they were Republican. When I heard a crusty old military vet say that he was Republican but "his guy" was Obama, it shocked me to my core. I'd spoken to some of these folks, done phone banking gone to neighborhood meetings where white yuppies gushed about Obama's message. As I left the polling place, a bunch of guys were talking about coming back to the caucus to "get 'r done for Obama," I knew that the caucus would get the job done for Obama.

Texas, esp. south texas where I grew up, is heavily machine dominated politics. I read a story about young Dems going up against old Dem hacks, taking the fight to the Clintonistas. One group in S. Tex was led by a Harvard classmate of Obama's.

It was weird listening to sooo many white folks talk in such glowing terms about a black politician. It was rather pathetic hearing Hispanics denigrate a black candidate "because he's black and he'll only look out for black folks and ignore Chicanos." Totally Lame!! I heard it all.

I could tell by listening to the folks in my precinct that Obama was going to run a way with the Caucus; so I took the opportunity to go to a San Antonio Spurs game with my family, have a few beers and enjoy the cool, breezy night knowing what was in store.

Listen to the lies, the hatred, the knuckledraggers like LBH that spew bullshit and want to be taken seriously, as Capt says. Judging by my coworkers that desperately voted for HRC hoping to get the weaker candidate, they are crapping their pants in fear over Obama. They can't put a dent in the people-powered movement that surrounds Obama. And I don't blame LBH for spouting every disproven talking point and hoping that people don't realize that just as in 2006 the GOP is heading for a trainwreck, deep down he's a hopemonger too.

The upcoming Dem primary schedule is favorable to Obama. He leads in a few states and lags slightly in others like Penn. One vital thing to note about these tought states for Obama: a lot of 'em are closed primaries. That's right, suckers. Republicans can't skew the results in these states. Mrs. BigDawg needs to start thinking about what she can do to help Obama win the election in November. Stick a fork in her, she's done. She can do the noble thing and take the party establishment and park it squarely behind Obama, let him use the established resources and meld them with his own.

Now if we can just get the idiotarians to blow their money on a futile campaign. Dang. Too bad Lieberman isn't running again. There's always Bloomberg. How 'bout it Happy? Can you throw a little dough at Unity '08? Hoobaby!!! Excuse me while I dust myself off from rolling on the floor laughing my ass off!

Huh.
Larry.
Us.

Capt, thank you ever so much for the special app that lets me get in and out of Redstate. I've been banned and back again so many times, that they've just given up on blocking my ip.

I've been reading this blog since it went back up; but have been having fun with the kiddoes. I tried to get somebody to take my daughter to the polls to let her witness the historic vote for a female candidate. I couldn't find a generous soul who'd admit that they were voting for HRC (rather than against Obama). My son almost wrecked a couple of the black boxes when Mrs. Pandemoniac went to vote. That boy is dangerous.

I've been reading about the big dustup regarding Hagee and McCain. The claims are tame compared to some of the weirder stuff that Hagee says every once in a while. That boy's got a saucy mouth, married hisself a Latina, after leaving his first wife. Must be a Conservative thing: talk outta yer ass about "FAmbly Values" then screw around on the side.

Where be Hajji and the rest of the Wild Boys? I saw BroTex stopped by. People are drawn back to the flame.

I may or may not be back soon. The campaign here in Texas goes into hiatus until the general.

I'll have time on my hands and my sights on LBH. Anyone like him that takes the Koolaid "enema-style" needs to be monitored. Somebody here called him a douchebag, can't for the life of me remember who (NEIL?). He's not a douchebag. He just LOOKS like one with the enema tube hanging out of his butt. Lay off the Koolaid, LBH. Just say no to plugs.

As James would say, HA!

"I've been banned and back again so many times,"

HA! Give 'em hell!

Hajji's has been working for the Obvama camapign in Ohio - so lots of driving AND still working like a dawg.

Did ya play with the delegate calculator? I can't make a scenario favorable to HRC. I think her goose is cooked.

Glad you're reading along.

Always missin' your take on things.

One quick post before going to try to sleep off this headache. Check LBH's articles that come from more legit sources. He isn't finding them because he actually reads unbiased sites, he is grabbing from what is selectively provided on rightwing sites and blogs, especially Free Republic. The copy and paste excerpts complete with edits and misspellings give it away. He is a Freeper. They are proud of the fact they don't give a damn about honest debate. I wonder if he also "freeps" online poles to skew the results.

And to think I almost took him seriously, I must be slipping. . .

Oh, and also:
Hola Pandemoniaco, te hemos extrañado!

Oh - Neil is O'Reilly

igualmente, eyes. Speaking of bilingualism, the kids are finally getting the hang of the spanish. My mom can stop hounding me about my daughter not speaking spanish. It was a great way or Mrs. Pandemoniac and I to talk in "code" so that the kids couldn't get all the talk about Santa and such. But I always felt a little guilty about it....

Time to make the donuts.

McCain = four more years of Bush.

pande,

Thanx for askin...I'm just back from 4 daze walkin' and talkin' in Cincy...

West-side, Cheviot...

Been puttin my boots where my mouth is...

wait...that doesn't sound quite right...

anyway...wurkin' and lurkin'

good to read you.

-T