Bush Previews GOP Attacks on Obama--By Making a False Accusation

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In all the excitement of mini-mini-Super Tuesday--that is, the Potomac Primaries--George W. Bush's slam of Barack Obama seemed to slip by without much notice. And it wasn't just a slam, it was a lie.

Appearing on Fox News Sunday this past weekend, Bush was asked by moderator Chris Wallace about Obama. Here's the exchange:

WALLACE: Do you think there's a rush to judgment about Barack Obama? Do you think voters know enough about him and --

BUSH: I certainly don't know what he believes in. The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad, which -- I -- I think I commented that in a press conference when I was asked about that.

WALLACE: I hope not. But -- but -- (chuckles) -- so you don't think that we know enough about him or what he stands --

BUSH: Doesn't seem like it to me, but there's -- with campaigns, there's plenty of time for candidates to get defined. He (is yet ?) his party's nominee.

MR. WALLACE: So why do you think he's gotten this far, if people don't know what he stands for?

PRESIDENT BUSH: You -- you're the pundit. I'm just a simple president.

Embrace the Iranian president? Wallace could have forced the president to back up this statement by asking Bush, "where did you get that?" But he did not.

Of course, Obama has never said he would "embrace" Ahmadinejad. In on of the Democratic debates, he promised to meet with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea during his first year in the White House, should he be elected president. At the time, I questioned whether Obama had gone too far in making such a vow. But leave it to Bush to turn an offer to talk with Iran into a big bear-hug for the thuggish Iranian leader. Bush was casting a false accusation. But at this point, no one seems to care much about what he says. I didn't see the Obama campaign take much offense. And imagine what the Obama people would have done, if Hillary or Bill Clinton had said it!

Bush's attack on Obama can be seen as a preview of the Republican assault that will come if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The real facts won't matter. They will be trumped by mischaracterization and misrepresentation. Nobody cares much now when Bush goes after Obama by mangling the truth. But if Obama does triumph in the Democratic contest, the Republican attack machine and the newest Swift Boaters will swing into high-gear. Such blasts will have to be countered quickly and effectively.

I'll be on a break until after President's Day. Enjoy contemplating the great leaders of our past.

    Comments

  1. This from the Andover cheerleader cum cowboy that promised an administration that would not get into nation building and would have a more humble foreign policy?

    The Reich-wingnuttia will repeat the lies until they are sure it is the truth.

    Let's hope more Americans have decided reality is more important than lies.


    "The visionary lies to himself, the liar only to others."

    ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 11:48 AM

  2. "God is dead."
    ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

    "Nietzsche is dead."
    ~ GOD (&-&)

    Posted by: Neil Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 12:14 PM

  3. For now, the Republican hate machine is focused on St. John McCain but after they lick their wounds, and John McCain kisses Limbaugh's fat ass, the Republican noise machine will focus it's attention on the Democratic nominee. A rapid and effective counter to the propaganda will be essential. I think Corn is up to it.

    Posted by: Neil Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 12:19 PM

  4. Germany Watches Clinton Fight for Survival


    The race for the US Democratic presidential nomination is being followed in Germany with an amazing degree of attention. In the lull before the decisive March 4 primaries, German commentators are mulling over the odds.

    *****

    Look at the picture that goes with the story - never let it be said the Germans don’t have a wry sense of humor.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 12:29 PM

  5. I sure hope Corn is up to it.

    His will be a very busy office just trying to correct and expose the lies.

    I don't know how he will find time to do anything else

    What would we have without DC, FDL, GG, and the others? (not much)

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 12:34 PM

  6. Hmmm,

    Why does Corn say Bush is lying about Obama embracing Ahmadinejad but purposely leaves out attacking Pakistan? Lie of omission?

    Obama will send Pelosi to embrace the little dictator like she did with the Syrian Pres.

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 12:39 PM

  7. You Corn Trolls are living on false hope, Clinton is up in PA and OH.

    Heil Hitlery!!!

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 1:03 PM

  8. Clinton burns Obamas special interest - Dick Cheney ties, after all they are related.

    Clinton hit Obama on the special interests, channeling John Edwards, "My opponent says that he'll take on the special interests. Well, he told people he stood up to the nuclear industry and passed a bill against them. But he actually let the nuclear industry water down his bill – the bill never actually passed. On top of that, the same company that watered down that bill lobbied for Dick Cheney's energy bill. And my opponent voted for the energy bill, with its billions of dollars of breaks for the oil industry. I voted against it."

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 1:25 PM

  9. The grand old wizard party at it's best:

    In an interview on MSNBC, Ed Rendell (Dem)defended his recent comments to a newspaper editorial board in which he said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against Obama because he is black.

    I wonder if Rendell and Robert Byrd belong to the same country club?

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 1:37 PM

  10. Report: Obama Far Outpacing Hillary In Money Doled Out To Super-Delegates


    Here's a bit of an eye-opening look at the behind-the-scenes battle underway between Hillary and Obama for the support of super-delegates -- it turns out that both sides are donating money to them in apparent hopes of winning their support.

    The Center for Responsive Politics has a new study out which finds that the two have donated a total of more than $890,000 to those super-delegates who are elected officials. Who's donated more? Obama has, by far.

    *****

    Superdelegates are just a bad idea all the way around - now it is all about purchasing them? It doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 4:40 PM

  11. I think this post and the one following it make some good points about that article.
    That number is based on donations since 2005. Well guess what happened in 2006? An election. So all this shows is that Obama was more willing to help us take control of Congress and expand the influence of Democrats nationwide.
    ***
    What is wrong with contributing to the campaigns of fellow Democrats. Are the required to sign an agreement to vote at the convention for the candidate that donated to their campaign. It seems like normal political practice to me.

    Senator Obama, before he had even won his senate seat, was in big demand to appear in support of candidates in 2004, all over the country.

    Looks like Greg has decided to try and convince us that the Clintons are born again political Virgins and that they have not tried calling in every political favor they have ever racked up.

    It seems to me, that Senator Obama is trying to build up candidates in all fifty states, and Hillary is content to grab the support of core blue states only. Not a very smart way to go about trying to obtain a national mandate to govern by.

    I agree the superdelegate system should be tossed in the garbage but the donation numbers alone don't paint the whole picture.

    Posted by: eyes_open Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 5:32 PM

  12. Oh, and I almost forgot to LOL at LBH's choke-on-a-pretzel logic that Rendell pointing out that BHO and HRC face the hurdles of racism and sexism (he left the second part out) somehow makes him racist.

    Posted by: eyes_open Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 5:37 PM

  13. BHO and HRC face the hurdles of racism and sexism

    Racism and sexism in the democratic party? Say it ain't so!

    Like I said; the grand old wizard party at it's best! LOL

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 6:25 PM

  14. Eye's

    "this post" not working.

    I personally think even if the $$ were last month - NBD - if that is the system then for now that's it. I just think the suredelegate system stinks.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 7:58 PM

  15. "Suredelegates"

    Accidental irony?

    I meant to type SUPERdelegates but my fingers have a mind of their own.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 8:13 PM

  16. Hillary Clinton officially wins N.M. caucus


    (AP) ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton finally won the popular vote in New Mexico’s Democratic caucus and picked up one extra delegate Thursday, nine days after Super Tuesday voting ended.

    State Democratic Chairman Brian Colon made the announcement after a marathon hand count of 17,000 provisional ballots that had to be given to voters on Feb. 5 because of long lines and a shortage of ballots. The final statewide count gave her a 1,709-vote edge over rival Sen. Barack Obama, 73,105 or 48.8 percent of the total vote to 71,396 or 47.6 percent.

    *****

    The real story here is not the one delegate - Barack Obama congratulated HRC with a few nice words. Maybe I missed something but where was the congratulations from HRC on the previous BHO wins?

    Class versus quest?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 8:18 PM

  17. LBH please try harder, your post are?

    How long after Obama is the nominee, How long after McCain, how long will it take for the establishment to create unrest? (Pretty quick I bet) The media that we create will plant all the seeds of doubt equally dispersed on both sides of the bucket. The measure of our nation will be how we accept change. How we accept defeat. (bucket full – bucket empty) How we get humble with righteousness. Or liberated with leftousness? Left will be separated from right, but we may eventually find a leader. A leader that we will not follow in our “true” tradition. Hopefully we won’t be wrong (or right) five times in a row! But if we are I tend to think we will prevail. Go USA! Fuck LBH!

    “My feet are tired, but my soul is rested” not my quote but you get the idea?

    Uncledad

    Posted by: uncledad Author Profile Page | February 14, 2008 11:38 PM

  18. Countdown Special Comment on FISA: President Bush Is A Liar And A Fascist


    Keith Olbermann’s Special Comment on today’s Countdown was a scathing rebuke of President Bush for continuing to play the fear card, trying to scare the hell out of the American people and vowing to veto any FISA legislation that does not contain telecom amnesty.

    You are a liar, Mr. Bush, and after showing some skill at it, you have ceased to even be a very good liar.


    And your minions like John Boehner — your Republican congressional crash dummies who just happen to decide to walk out of Congress when a podium-full of microphones await them — they should just keep walking, out of Congress and if possible, out of the country.

    For they — and you, sir — have no place in a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

    The lot of you, are the symbolic descendants of the despotic middle managers of some banana republic, to whom “Freedom” is an ironic brand name, a word you reach for, when you want to get away with its opposite.

    Thus, Mr. Bush, your panoramic invasion of privacy is dressed up as “protecting America.”

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 12:15 AM

  19. The Christian's Case Against Barack Saddam Hussein Obama


    The Fundies are out to get Barack, and they have created a timeline of Barack’s Islamic Muslim life on the website MyChurch.org. It features some revealing insight into why Barack Obama, “Son of a Luo Tribesman,” plans on blowing up the White House in the name of Muslim Jesus.

    *****

    The fundies question Obama’s parents marriage. I wonder if they ever thought about whether the mixed race marriage was legal? Before 1967 mixed race marriage was illegal in 36 states.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 12:54 PM

  20. Neil Young: 'Bush Deserves More Credit'

    Veteran rocker Neil Young has defended George W. Bush for sticking to his vision of how to lead America.

    Friday, February 15, 2008
    Daily Entertainment Photos - "Get all the fashion, glamour and scandal here in pictures!"


    Veteran rocker Neil Young has defended George W. Bush for sticking to his vision of how to lead America -insisting the U.S. president deserves more credit than he gets.

    The "Heart Of Gold" star, who has lived in California for over 40 years but remains a Canadian citizen, believes Bush isn't as stupid as his public image may suggest.

    The 62-year-old says,"You've got to give the guy credit. Do I agree with him? No. Do I think he's stupid? No. Do I think he's a leader? Yes. He led. He took this country where he wanted to take it. And he steadfastly stuck with it all the way."


    Wow! A liberal at heart who has seen the light!

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 5:38 PM

  21. Is Obama more liberal than socialist Bernie Sanders?

    You decide~~~

    Campaign workers for senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara. But Obama has his own controversial socialist connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based Marxist group with access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.

    Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.


    Obama Global poverty tax~~

    And we know how well the UN handled the food for oil program, but hey it's just the working folks money.

    Obama bill: $845 billion more for global poverty
    WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 14, 2008

    Sen. Barack Obama, perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president, is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.

    The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, "We can – and must – make … a priority," said Obama, a co-sponsor.

    It would demand that the president develop "and implement" a policy to "cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief" and other programs.

    When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.

    "It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

    Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."

    He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."

    The plan passed the House in 2007 "because most members didn't realize what was in it," Kincaid reported. "Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."

    Posted by: LBH Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 5:53 PM

  22. Bush's lies, warmongering taint America's reputation


    […]

    Bush has just been caught again in the act of lying, this time by the National Intelligence Estimate. The "mushroom cloud" he painted in the sky was his rhetorical ploy to invoke the image of World War III in the minds of a fearful or avenging populace.

    The NIE destroyed his war fantasy with one stroke. NPR's Daniel Schorr referred to the incident as the White House "creation of reality" that stands opposed by the objective reality of everyone else. In an earlier commentary, Schorr was more explicit. The lie is Bush's principal tool of politics. It is the classic and basic device behind every policy.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 6:06 PM

  23. Nothing But Contempt For Those Who Trample The Constitution


    Yesterday was truly a historic day. The United States House of Representatives stood up to those in the Bush administration who believe they are not subject to the Congressional oversight that is mandated by our nation's Constitution.

    ****

    Bush does think the constitution is just a GD piece of paper anyway.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 6:10 PM

  24. Those who follow

    http://biopact.com/

    daily will recognize a carefully thought-out, sensible plan for ending global poverty. It recognizes that each group of peoples have to be able to feed themselves, not relying on hand-outs except in cases of extraordinary emergency.

    How does this work? The rich nations of the global north buy biofuels grown in the global south. It requires some start-up capital and various private investors are providing these funds, at a current rate of tens of millions of dollars per day. Ir also requires some sensible local government policies. But private investors won't invest in places where these policies are not in place.

    Some US gov'ment assistance might prove wise for local infrastructure improvements, but so far the record of the IMF and World Bank is not good.

    All this from someone who is interested in progressive policies within the U.S. Fix our own house first.

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 7:01 PM

  25. Chairman Conyers: “I’m Staying Here to Work on FISA”


    (Washington, DC)- House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. released the following statement to President Bush’s commitment to work on foreign surveillance legislation through the recess:

    “The President’s efforts to cast blame on FISA, echoed by his allies in Congress, show an appalling disregard for the facts. He threatened to veto any extension of the Protect America Act and, following his lead, every single Republican in the House voted against the 21 day extension I sponsored in the House. The President and House Republicans cannot have it both ways, simultaneously arguing that the PAA is essential to national security and also engineering the defeat of an extension of it. The consequences for inaction are their responsibility.

    “Unfortunately, it is the same old tired rhetoric of fear that the country overwhelmingly rejected in the 2006 elections.

    *****

    Go Conyers!

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 15, 2008 9:36 PM

  26. Rush Limbaugh Is Trying to Tear the GOP Apart


    Hey, GOP, that's quite a Noise Machine you've constructed. Now good luck trying to dismantle it.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 8:01 AM

  27. Charles Barkley on The Situation Room: GOP full of “fake Christians”


    […]

    BARKLEY: Hey, I live in Arizona. I have got great respect for Senator McCain. Great respect. But I don’t like the way the Republicans are taking this country. Every time I hear the word “conservative,” it makes me sick to my stomach, because they’re really just fake Christians, as I call them. That’s all they are. But I just — I’m going to vote Democratic no matter what. [..]

    BLITZER: All right. One quick point before I let you go. You used the phrase “fake Christians” for conservatives. Explain what you’re talking about.

    BARKLEY: Well, I think they — they want to be judge and jury. Like, I’m for gay marriage. It’s none of my business if gay people want to get married. I’m pro-choice. And I think these Christians — first of all, they’re supposed to be — they’re not supposed to judge other people. But they’re the most hypocritical judge of people we have in this country. And it bugs the hell out of me. They act like their Christians. And they’re not forgiving at all.

    BLITZER: So you’re going to get a lot of feedback on this one, Charles.

    BARKLEY: They can’t do anything to me. I don’t work for them.

    *****

    Fake Christians and your basic fake conservatives (neocons)

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 8:07 AM

  28. Rush Limbaugh Is Trying to Tear the GOP Apart

    Goody! Hope he succeeds...

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 1:16 PM

  29. Obama’s “Desperate” Ad Airs in Wisconsin


    Barack Obama released a new ad called “Desperate” today to dispel Hillary Clinton’s latest effort to show Wisconsin voters that Barack Obama has something to hide by refusing to debate her before Tuesday’s primary.

    Something Wisconsin Governor (and Obama backer) Jim Doyle described as dirty politics. “For her to do this - claiming that Senator Obama somehow isn’t making himself available when he has been all over the state, and as we speak today, she has yet to even be in the state during the week leading up to this primary,” he said on a conference call yesterday**. “Fact is, he’s out here in the state having a one-sided debate right now and the only campaign she has going on in Wisconsin is negative TV ads,” he added later.

    *****

    Obama is saying all the right things. I think HRC is shooting herself in the foot. It will be interesting to see what happens but I think Obama just bested her again.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 4:34 PM

  30. Bill Clinton Scolds Wisconsin

    […]

    Sounding rather petulant, he summed up Obama's supporters' thinking as, "We have to be exciting and new. You can't have been involved in the struggle before now." Well, fine, go vote for the new and exciting candidate then, the Clinton campaign seems to be saying, we'll just take our marbles and go home.


    *******

    I don’t think Bill is helping. The article could be bias but it paints a believable picture.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 8:58 PM

  31. Fox allowed Ralph Reed to repeat Bush's false claim that "Obama has said that he will embrace Ahmadinejad"


    "The Reich-wingnuttia will repeat the lies until they are sure it is the truth.

    Let's hope more Americans have decided reality is more important than lies."

    ****

    But I digress

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 16, 2008 9:03 PM

  32. Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq

    An interesting speech to read. This is what BHO was saying when HRC was voting for the Iraq invasion.

    Sometimes getting it right the first time is better than a bushel of experience.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 17, 2008 10:55 PM

  33. Capt:

    Obama stance on war: He was AGAINST it before he was FOR it.

    He was against the war before he was as senator, and therefore, never had to actually vote on it. After he became a senator, he always voted for maintaining war funding. (At least Hillary is consistent!)

    Now, the flip-flopper Obama says he was against it all along.

    Is it possible that Obama needs the "present" option that he used so many times as a state senator in Illinois! (His use of which he refuses to discuss: A technique gleaned from The Decider?)

    Posted by: Tina Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 8:42 AM

  34. Did you read the speech?

    He was right. He since voted to continue to fund the occupation. He never voted to support the invasion. Hillary did vote to support the invasion.

    Facts are facts.

    HRC voted to authorize Bush to take military action - now she says she is against it. That is a flip-flop of the highest order.

    Nothing - NOTHING is more important that the issue of war and peace. HRC was wrong - she should admit as much .

    Barack was right.

    That is one of the reasons he is winning in Texas, Wis, HI, and likely split Ohio.

    IS you really think BHO has been "for the war" as you say - how about a source? A link? A single factual basis other than a talking point?

    Voting to fund something that exists is not support for the thing.

    HRC on the other hand DID vote for it AND for every funding bill.

    She was wrong.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 10:00 AM

  35. [...] (from the link above)

    "What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

    What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

    But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

    Versus:

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."


    ******

    Seems one is more right than the other.

    But maybe that is just me.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 10:18 AM

  36. Clinton bought Bush's war talk, Obama didn't


    Though under no obligation as an Illinois state senator to make any public statements on foreign policy, Obama spoke out against the prospects of war at an anti-war rally in Chicago.

    Obama certainly carried no pretense about the nature of Saddam Hussein's regime, referring to the late Iraqi dictator as "brutal" and "ruthless" and acknowledging that "the world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him." At the same time, he recognized that "Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors." Furthermore, Obama recognized "that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained."

    That same month in Washington, Clinton was insisting incorrectly that Iraq had ties to al-Qaida, was "trying to develop nuclear weapons," and that Iraq's possession of biological and chemical weapons was "not in doubt."

    Clinton then went on record insisting that the risk that Saddam would "employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States" was enough to "justify action by the United States to defend itself," specifically by authorizing President Bush to launch an invasion of Iraq at the time and circumstances of his choosing.

    *****


    Barack his speech before the invasion. He was correct on nearly every point. At the same time HRC was parroting the Bush talking points and repeating the neocon lies.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 10:26 AM

  37. I agree there is nothing more important that war and peace. That is why it is so important that any Democratic candidate take responsibility for there actions and statements on the issue.

    Posted by: Tina Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 10:28 AM

  38. No source or link that BHO is (or was) for the Iraq occupation?

    I have looked for it myself and found nothing.

    That would mean he was right and hasn't flipped nor flopped?

    Can you offer any help with that. If he has flipped or flopped I want to have the goods on him too.


    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 10:51 AM

  39. Barack Obama on War & Peace


    Q: Some involved in the anti-movement have said that in 2004, 2005, 2006 Barack Obama voted to fund the war; that you were not a leader in trying to stop the war until you ran for president and had a sense of the anti-war fervor in the Democratic base. Where was the leadership?

    A: I disagree with that. Throughout I was a constant critic. It is true that my preference would not be to end this war simply by cutting off funding. My preference would be for the president to recognize that we needed to change course, and that was what I continually pushed for. At the point where we realized the president was not willing to change course, I put forward a very clear timetable for when we should remove our troops. And, when that was vetoed, I then suggested that the only way to negotiate a different direction in Iraq is by not giving Bush a blank check when it comes to funding.

    Q: You have changed now in your support of cutting off funding.

    A: But I haven't changed in my opposition to the war.

    Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11, 2007

    ******

    The link above has a few of BHO's statements about his position on the war over the years. Always opposed to the war and against the continued occupation.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 11:35 AM

  40. President Clinton’s statements are confirmed by the facts. In 2004, Sen. Obama said he didn’t know how he would have voted on the Iraq War resolution.

    ‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’
    In 2004, Sen. Obama also said there was little difference between his position and George Bush’s position on Iraq:

    In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. […] There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.” [Chicago Tribune, 07/27/04]
    While running for Senate, Sen. Obama acknowledged that he took his anti-war speech off his campaign website, calling it "dated":

    Specifically, State Senator Obama maintains that an October 2002 anti-war speech was removed from his campaign web site because “the speech was dated once the formal phase of the war was over, and my staff's desire to continually provide fresh news clips."
    Finally, Sen. Obama and Hillary do have almost identical voting records on Iraq:

    In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against. [ABC News, 5/17/07]

    Posted by: Tina Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 2:39 PM

  41. Kurtz misrepresented Obama's 2004 remark on Iraq war stance


    Summary: On Reliable Sources, Howard Kurtz claimed that in a 2004 Chicago Tribune article, Sen. Barack Obama "said there wasn't much difference between his position and George Bush's position on the [Iraq] war." But Kurtz left out three key words from Obama's quote in the Tribune -- "at this stage" -- as well as the context of the remarks, both of which indicate that Obama was discussing how best to stabilize Iraq from mid-2004 onward, not claiming agreement with Bush on the war itself.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 2:50 PM

  42. Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"


    Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the [Iraq] war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war." Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 2:51 PM

  43. No Compromises Before Getting Elected


    MR. RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Senator Clinton's campaign will say since you've been a senator there's been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you've not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of `04, Barack Obama, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know," in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: "There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage." That was July of `04. And this: "I think" there's "some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war." It doesn't seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.

    SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 3:03 PM

  44. Hillary Clinton on War & Peace


    Iraq war wouldn't have happened had the inspectors been sent

    Q: Do you regret not reading the National Intelligence Estimate before the Iraq war vote?

    A: I feel like I was totally briefed, I knew all of the arguments that were being made by everyone from all directions. I thought the best way to find out who was right in the intelligence community was to send in the inspectors. If Bush had allowed the inspectors to finish the job they started, we would have known that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD and we would not have gone and invaded Iraq.

    Source: 2007 Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College Jun 3, 2007

    *****

    No regrets and fully buying into the lie.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 3:21 PM

  45. Clinton campaign accuses Obama of 'flip-flop'

    WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign hammered rival Barack Obama on Sunday for refusing to reaffirm his commitment to accept public financing in the general election, a development a top aide criticized as "a pretty big flip-flop" and an opening for Republican attack.

    Clinton hasn't acknowledged that Obama is likely to be the Democratic nominee — she says she is — and she also hasn't promised to accept public financing herself. The issue, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says, is that Obama made a campaign pledge but now won't promise to keep it.

    *****

    What the heck is HRC thinking? The “promise” is specifically about the general election - financing is done like the election - primary then general. HRC is trying to help McCain? That seems odd.

    Maybe people will like that sort of thing but I think she is shooting herself in the foot again with this stuff.

    Seems very desperate.

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 3:31 PM

  46. Neither completely covered themselves with glory.

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 4:15 PM

  47. "A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar."

    ~ H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

    *****

    All politicians suck, they are liars and live off the public dole (quite well).

    One of them is likely to be president come election day.

    A rogues gallery to be sure but we can all hope for the future - a better future with the possibilities and potential that we can do something good, turn our lemons into lemonade.

    All politicians use rhetorical skills to gain support then once in office do as they please - we can't unelect them and if Bush escapes impeachment I can't imagine any president being removed from office.

    So what can we do? Take all of that into consideration and take a shot, hope your vote counts, hope the SCOTUS stays out of it and pray for a clear winner.

    I am so tired of the 50/50 split. I would never expect to be in the majority on many issues but the country is divided enough.

    The next president will have a rare opportunity. Not so much in the specifics but generally to heal and unify the people.

    The GOP is just starting to fire up the old wurlitzer - expect some very nasty stuff - I hope America is as tired of that stuff as I am - if so it will blow up in their faces.


    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 4:43 PM

  48. I'm certainly tired of it.

    Posted by: David B. Benson Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 8:44 PM

  49. "I'm Tired"
    As Sung by Madeline Khan
    "Blazing Saddles"
    ______________

    Here I stand, the goddess of Desire
    Set men on fire
    I have this power

    Morning noon and night it's drink and dancing
    Some quick romancing
    And then a shower

    Stage door johnnies always surround me
    They always hound me
    With one request

    Who can satisfy their lustful habits
    I'm not a rabbit
    I need some rest

    I'm tired
    Sick and tired of love
    I've had my fill of love
    From below and above
    Tired, tired of being admired
    Tired of love uninspired
    Let's face it
    I'm tired

    I've been with 1000's of men
    Again and again
    They promise the moon
    They always coming and going
    Going and coming
    And always too soon
    Right girls?

    I'm tired,
    Tired of playing the game
    Ain't it a crying shame
    I'm so tired
    God dammit I'm exhausted

    Tired, tired of playing the game
    Ain't it a crying shame
    I'm so tired

    [Soldiers:]
    She's tired (She's tired)
    Sick and tired of love (Give her a break)
    She's had her fill of love (She's not a snake)
    From bellow and above (Can't you see she's sick)
    Tired (She's bushed)
    Tired of being admired (Let her alone)
    Tired of love uninspired (Get off the phone)
    She's tired (Don't you know she's pooped)

    I've been with 1000's of men
    Again and again
    They sing the same tune
    They start with Byron and Shelly
    And jump on your belly
    And bust your ballon
    Aye!

    Tired, tired of playing the game
    Ain't it a freakin' shame
    I'm so...
    Let's face it everything below the waist is kapput!

    [Soldiers:]
    Tired!
    ________________

    Hey Cowboy! Is that a 10-Gallon Hat,
    Or are you just happy to see me?

    -T

    Posted by: Hajji Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 9:24 PM

  50. How Far Are the Clintons Willing to Go?

    Hillary Clinton, who has built her case for the presidency on her superior "ready on Day One" management skills, burned through almost $130 million of campaign money, had to kick in $5 million from her own murky family funds, and is now pressing her chief financial backers to find creative ways to raise more money.

    Some of those financial schemes appear to skirt the law -- as some backers consider putting money into "independent" entities that can spend unlimited sums but aren't supposed to coordinate with the campaign -- while other ideas are more traditional, like appealing to wealthy donors involved with the pro-Israel AIPAC lobby.

    Sen. Clinton's new scramble for money -- as well as her campaign's declaration that it is prepared to override the will of the elected Democratic delegates if necessary to secure the nomination -- raise the question of just how far Bill and Hillary Clinton are willing to go to achieve their presidential restoration.

    *****

    If she cannot manage her “sure thing” to the nomination she is not qualified to be president. You’d think all her experience would make her a better manager?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 18, 2008 9:54 PM

  51. Ready on day one?

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | February 19, 2008 3:48 PM

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