A posting of mine from the Mother Jones blog:
Another Democratic debate tonight? Enough already. Hillary Clinton has been pushing Barack Obama for more and more debates. But these debates have lost their utility. Do we really need to see the pair bicker once more over health care coverage mandates? That's the only major current policy difference that two have zeroed in on in their face-offs. They argue their points around and around in a circle like quarrelers in a bad marriage. And they're kinda both right.
If you want to achieve universal coverage at the most efficient price point, then you need as big a pool as possible. That's basic economics. So Hillary Clinton correctly notes that mandates are needed--especially to get into this pool those folks who may not need costly health care. Their premiums will help cover the cost of care for others. That's how insurance works: the more, the merrier.
But Obama has a point when he says that it would not be fair to force people to buy insurance they cannot afford and that may not meet their needs. I recently met someone from Massachusetts--where there now is a health insurance mandate--who complained that she and her husband could not afford the insurance they are mandated to purchase. And, she added, they make just enough money to be beyond qualifying for a subsidy. This couple is considering moving out of the state. Maybe they're over-reacting to the situation. But no one should be compelled to purchase substandard but costly coverage. Consequently, it seems fair to say, "Let's see the policy, before we accept the mandate." No doubt about it, Obama got somewhat trapped in all this. He put out a plan with limited mandates (only for parents regarding coverage for their kids) and was then raised (as in poker) by Clinton. At that point, Obama could not admit he had proposed an insufficient plan. He was forced into a corner--defending the absence of a comprehensive mandate in his plan--and this debate was born.
But there's this: if either of these Democrats are elected, he or she will pull together roughly the same band of policy experts and craft a plan with congressional leaders that will likely not match exactly what they are proposing now. They may have to deal with health care reform in increments (depending on the composition and mood of Congress). And mandates may or may not be part of that process at the start. Would Hillary Clinton trade away mandates to get the rest of her plan through Congress? You betcha. (If you truly care about the details of this difference, check out NPR's recent dissection here.)
So can we move on? Probably not. The candidates seem committed to pounding away on this point. In recent days, they have also tussled over Nafta. Clinton has been endeavoring to back away from the trade accord that is unpopular in Democratic circles (particularly among blue-collar Dems). And while Obama has been reminding people of her past support, the Clinton camp has been trying to dredge up old Obama quotes showing he once had at least a mixed view on Nafta. But on this front, Clinton, who is in second place, is in the weaker position. It's not to her advantage to do battle over Nafta. She seems to believe that the mandate issue offers her potent ammo. Blasting Obama on this topic hasn't yet paid off. But her campaign advisers must feel that there's no telling what will happen the 168th time she tries.
Comments
David,
The way Shrillary's been acting lately, seems to me like Obama better check up on his own healthcare plan.
From her warm, (sincere?) "honored, HONORED to be here with Barack" to "Shame on You" in less48hrs?
Sounds like her hormone therapy isn't keeping up with her mood swings.
On Obama's part, I reccomend a claw-proof catchers mask & helmet, chest protector and the all-important CUP.
If she goes after him, would it be up to His or Her Security detail to intervene? Seeing 2 teams of Secret Service agents fighting proxy for their principals seems unlikely, but sure would make a good SNL sketch!
-T
Posted by: Hajji
| February 26, 2008 12:48 PM
When these choreographed "debates" only scratch the surface of issues it's only natural they soon become tiresome events. The only reason people keep watching is to see who screws up first. Is Obama going to trip up and show he's not ready? Is Clinton going to start screeching like a monkey? Nothing more than reality tv mentality.
In other news
Sen. Dodd endorses ex-rival Obama
Posted by: eyes_open
| February 26, 2008 12:57 PM
*tee hee*
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 1:44 PM
I disagree, Hillary should get some back bone and go after Obama on his Rezco ties since the media refuses to do it's job when it comes to Obama. Who cares if she gets booed. You can bet that the Repubs aren't going to play nice when it comes to this potential block buster scandal. All in a day of Chicago politics.
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The Times of London follows the money in the journalistic tradition of Watergate and finds a strange connection between Tony Rezko, Barack Obama, and Nadhmi Auchi. The latter, one of Britain's richest men, has a long history of shady financial dealings as well as numerous connections to Saddam Hussein, who he helped to power. According to the Times, Auchi sent a lot of money to Rezko just before his wife bought property adjacent to the Obamas in a land deal that has already raised a lot of eyebrows:
A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.
The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain’s wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.
A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million.
Three weeks later, Mr Obama bought a house on the city's South Side while Mr Rezko's wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day, June 15.
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 1:48 PM
LBH --- Yawn.
Posted by: David B. Benson
| February 26, 2008 1:58 PM
This is damn funny~~~
In a brilliant commentary to illustrate what the New York Slimes did to Senator McCain on Monday 2/25/2008 Dinesh D'Souza used the New York Times own standards to allege a sexual affair between editor Bill Keller and liberal columnist Paul Krugman: titled,
Sex Scandal At The New York Times.
“The New York Times has been rocked by reports that its coverage of the 2008 election has been sorely compromised by an alleged homosexual relationship between executive editor Bill Keller and liberal columnist Paul Krugman.
"Waves of anxiety have swept through Times staffers who have been concerned about Krugman routinely showing up by Keller's side. Convinced that the relationship had become romantic, some senior staff at the paper have been trying to keep the two apart. These staffers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said they warned Keller not to keep his office door closed especially when Krugman was inside.
"Concerns that Krugman's strong support for the Democrats have shaped New York Times coverage of the upcoming election underscore a paradox. The newspaper is widely suspected of tailoring its news coverage to support its political ideology--'all the news that fits'--even though the Times likes to portray itself as objective: 'all the news that's fit to print.'
"Both Keller and Krugman have denied the allegations although such denials are to be expected in such situations. Now some staffers are worried that Keller's coverage of the election may be influenced by his feelings for Krugman. 'We're worried that Krugman is threatening to break it off,' one reporter noted, 'if Keller doesn't give favorable treatment to his candidate and stick it to the Republicans.'"
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 2:00 PM
DB
just goes to show your political bias~~ sad really!
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 2:01 PM
David:
You're so hostile toward Hillary! It seems that you've lost all objectivity since leaving The Nation.
Posted by: Tina
| February 26, 2008 2:02 PM
D'Souza's article is actually more believable than the McCain story~~
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
The reason McCain is having campaign finance problems is because his wealthy wife cut him off when he started porking Vicki Iseman. Imagine the 60 year old McCain humping the 30 year old lobbyist. Disgusting.
Posted by: Neil
| February 26, 2008 2:42 PM
"Imagine the 60 year old McCain humping the 30 year old lobbyist. Disgusting."
And your even cursory evidence of this?
Tom
Posted by: Tomcantu
| February 26, 2008 3:18 PM
LBH --- It was morning. Do not assume you know it all...
Posted by: David B. Benson
| February 26, 2008 4:17 PM
Hostile to Hillary? I say above she's generally right on the big picture re mandates and that Obama has wedged himself into a corner. Jeez.
Posted by: DavidCorn
| February 26, 2008 4:21 PM
"Imagine the 60 year old McCain humping the 30 year old lobbyist. Disgusting."
I bet you imagine that as much as possible, mostly in the bathroom and not at work I hope.
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 4:22 PM
The Drudge Report warms to the Clinton camp, or is it vice versa?
Published: October 22, 2007
As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing-red siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, "Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge," and, "$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report."
Within minutes, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's fund-raising success was injected via Drudge into the day's political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Obama's speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign - the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side - it was a telling assault.
Clinton's aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters. But it was a prime example of a development that has surprised much of the political world: Clinton is learning to play nice with the Drudge Report and the powerful, elusive and conservative-leaning man behind it.
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 5:08 PM
DC,
"I say above she's generally right on the big picture re mandates and that Obama has wedged himself into a corner"
NOW you're being anti-Obama!
(kidding - you know)
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 5:10 PM
Hillary's "bitch factor"* - Hail Mary passes with grenades
Coming from another politician slipping in the polls against someone like Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton's no more Mrs. Nice Girl brass knuckle attacks would make tactical sense.
Unfortunately for her, her anger has no finesse. She comes across as strident, confirming the "bitch factor"* in many people's mind. Some people will think she's trying to beat Muhammad Ali by kicking him in the balls.
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 5:21 PM
D'Souza's article is actually more believable than the McCain story.
Posted by: LBH | February 26, 2008 2:04 PM
True! but only for people who know the difference between a scientist and a butt monkey and sadly, they are in the minority.
Posted by: Neil
| February 26, 2008 6:02 PM
Apply Liberally (and often)
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 6:13 PM
Bush legacy already established
WASHINGTON -- President Bush should stop worrying about his legacy. It's already established.
By his deeds you shall know him; preemptive war, torture and wiretapping, for starters.
Nothing said in history can wipe out those flaws in his administration. And no revisionist historian down the road can diminish the importance of those acts. He has governed with threats -- and by nourishing fear in the American people.
The president seems to have a hard time abiding by the law. Referring to his struggles with Congress during his first year in office, Bush joked that "a dictatorship would be heck of a lot easier."
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 6:21 PM
True! but only for people who know the difference between a scientist and a butt monkey and sadly, they are in the minority.
That is sad!
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 6:31 PM
Early voters swarm in Texas
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Six days into early voting – and with a week left – about 360,000 voters in the state's 15 largest counties have cast early or mail-in ballots in the 2008 Democratic primary, compared with 120,000 in the Republican primary.
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360,000 versus 120,000 - wow!
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 6:46 PM
Military fears 'unknown quantity'
By Rowan Scarborough
February 26, 2008
Members of Washington's military and defense establishment are expressing trepidation about Sen. Barack Obama, as the Illinois senator comes closer to winning the Democratic presidential nomination and leads in national polls to become commander in chief.
But his backers, including a former Air Force chief of staff, say the rookie senator believes in a strong military, and with it, a larger Army and Marine Corps.
"Any military person who concludes he's a left-wing, hair-on-fire, Kumbaya child of the '60s has sadly misunderestimated him, to use George Bush's term," said retired Gen. Merrill McPeak.
Still, the mostly conservative retired officers, industry executives and current defense officials interviewed by The Washington Times cite Mr. Obama's lack of experience in national security. They also point to his determination to pull American combat units from Iraq at a time when a troop surge has reduced violence, damaged al Qaeda and allowed the Iraqi government to progress toward Sunni-Shia-Kurd reconciliation.
"We're very concerned about his apparent lack of understanding on the threat of radical Islam to the United States," said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, who is pro-Iraq war and a Fox News analyst. "A lot of retired senior officers feel the same way."
Mr. Obama also has stirred concern in national security circles by pledging to talk to the leaders of rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, without preconditions.
His urging of the Bush administration to conduct air strikes against terrorist targets in Pakistan without its approval is privately derided inside the Pentagon as the way to ruin relations with a good ally. Pakistan will not allow U.S. combat troops to operate on its soil.
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Will Barrack Hussien Obama take off the training wheels in time or remain a rookie in the big boy world?
Posted by: LBH
| February 26, 2008 6:47 PM
McCain apologizes for Bill Cunningham's Obama comments
Sen. John McCain quickly denounced comments Cincinnati radio host Bill Cunningham made about Sen. Barack Obama, during McCain's local appearance Tuesday.
Cunningham, who hosts a conservative talk show on WLW-AM, made opening remarks prior to McCain's speech at Memorial Hall in Over-the-Rhine. According to numerous media reports, Cunningham pointedly referred to the Democratic candidate by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, called him a "hack" and suggested he received "sweetheart deals" as a Chicago politician.
McCain, immediately after his speech, told reporters he didn't know about the remarks beforehand, but he repudiated them, according to a National Public Radio report.
"My entire campaign I have treated Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton with respect," McCain said. "I will continue to do that throughout this campaign."
McCain later spoke at a gathering in West Chester, at Armor Holdings' local facility.
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 7:10 PM
If She Loses, What Then?
[…]
If Obama wins the primary and loses the general, it could enable Ms. Clinton to build a powerful case for a turn of her own at the top of the ticket the next time around. This is rooted in the assumption that an Obama defeat would be the result of the kind of political attacks and G.O.P. campaign tactics that Ms. Clinton has been warning Democrats about. In the wake of an Obama loss, she could say to her fellow Democrats, in effect: You let your emotions cloud your judgment in 2008 and look what it got you; now let me show you how it's done.
But this assumes that Democrats don't end up blaming Ms. Clinton for the defeat. This creates a difficult balancing act for her right now: weighing the value of amplified attacks on Mr. Obama in pursuit of this year's nomination against the damage that the memory of those attacks could do to her '12 hopes.
And her dilemma will be even more wrenching if she wins enough upcoming primaries to last through the entire primary season. Presumably, she would still trail Mr. Obama in pledged delegates and—very likely—the cumulative popular vote. That would mean that forcing an ugly, explosive, and protracted fight over the Michigan and Florida delegations (which would favor her lopsidedly if they were seated at the convention) would represent her only chance of victory. Theoretically, she could pull it off. But if she tried and failed, the hard feelings among Democrats could be permanent.
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 7:38 PM
Public Broadcasting Activists Refute McCain Campaign 'Facts' on FCC Letters
Posted by: capt
| February 26, 2008 8:11 PM
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